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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MrGrenadine" data-source="post: 5456435" data-attributes="member: 62619">But nothing in 4e presumes RP, either, and folks DO adopt roles in WoW, as described by race and class.  Yes, RP would imply much more--personality, emotion, character, etc.--but there are folks who play D&D who add nothing of the sort, and are content to have race and class describe the character they play.The fact that a WoW player chooses a character, and controls the character through multiple, ongoing adventures, gaining in power and equipment and (hopefully) creating cooperative and strong relationships with other characters--this qualifies WoW as and RPG, IMO.But it doesn't feel like D&D to me.  <Dodges thrown tomato.>My experience with 4e is that most, if not all, decisions are based on whats tactically advantageous.  Since monster math scales with character level, if you don't make tactically advantageous choices throughout, a character will be behind the power curve, leaving the player missing in combat or failing in skill challenges WAY more often than 50%.I haven't seen anyone claim that 4e doesn't feel like D&D to them because of Dragonborn and Warlords.  For myself, the reason it doesn't feel like D&D to me has more to do with the way the power-centric rules limit my Dragonborn Warlord's choices in and out of combat.  Also, square fireballs.But thats just my humble opinion of how the game plays.  It feels really different, and not always in a good way.  But let me also say that I play in a weekly 4e campaign, with a terrific DM and a group of great folks, that is an absolute blast.The "feel" thing is more related to my preferences, and has little or nothing to do with my enjoyment while I'm playing.And in relation to the OP--that translates as the opinion that certain paths to Rome don't have the right feel for me, (I like to see more orchards on the way, or whatever).  Though I certainly don't mean to disparage anyone for taking the rockier or coastal paths.</blockquote>

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