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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5456829" data-attributes="member: 19675">My main problems with the &quot;big umbrella&quot; approach:1) it does not address the issue certain persons have with other's perceptions that 4Ed doesn't have the right feel: the personal attacks and dismissive language continue.&nbsp; If Defenders of the Fourth can't accept that others experiences with the game may vary from their own, the approach taken here simply fails.2) if it can encompass games/campaigns that have the &quot;right&quot; feel and yet are in no way to be mistaken for D&amp;D (in the factual sense- see examples of RM or HERO, supra), then it is overbroad.&nbsp; At a certain level, it seems ludicrous to suggest that the &quot;D&amp;D experience&quot; can be had by playing systems totally alien to D&amp;D.&nbsp; Even though I get the right feel from my HERO D&amp;D clones, I daresay most would want to exclude that from inclusion under the &quot;umbrella,&quot; if for no other reason than it seemingly stretches the definition of D&amp;D to all-inclusive uselessness.&nbsp; Such as when non-hobbyists use the term.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5456829, member: 19675"] My main problems with the "big umbrella" approach: 1) it does not address the issue certain persons have with other's perceptions that 4Ed doesn't have the right feel: the personal attacks and dismissive language continue. If Defenders of the Fourth can't accept that others experiences with the game may vary from their own, the approach taken here simply fails. 2) if it can encompass games/campaigns that have the "right" feel and yet are in no way to be mistaken for D&D (in the factual sense- see examples of RM or HERO, supra), then it is overbroad. At a certain level, it seems ludicrous to suggest that the "D&D experience" can be had by playing systems totally alien to D&D. Even though I get the right feel from my HERO D&D clones, I daresay most would want to exclude that from inclusion under the "umbrella," if for no other reason than it seemingly stretches the definition of D&D to all-inclusive uselessness. Such as when non-hobbyists use the term. [/QUOTE]

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