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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5457227" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, how do I do the first one, when the only answer forthcoming is, "Cos I say so"?  If I do the second one, then, well, conversation just ended.  Because we no longer have any common definition to work from, we can't actually communicate.I dunno about "demand" though.  That's pretty strong.  OTOH, I can totally see someone saying, "Well, I play that game and it does feel like X to me.  I'm not really comfortable with someone coming along and telling me that I'm not actually playing X just because they don't like it."Funny thing about respect is that it works both ways.  If I come up and tell you that you're doing something wrong, and my only reason is, "Cos I said so", how warm and fuzzy are you going to be?Now, multiply that by about ten thousand people over the course of ten years, every single month someone coming along and telling you that you're doing it wrong.Still warm and fuzzy?Really?  You don't remember people refusing to call 3e D&D, but rather insisting it was "D20 Fantasy"?  You have never seen Dragonsfoot?  I mean there are entire forums devoted to the idea that 3e isn't D&D with pretty large followings.  ((But thanks for that actually.  I know I can be kinda abrasive and I really don't want to.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />))  (Well, except to that Raven Crowking guy... oh hi there.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue    :p"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ))Ahh, but there we hit the crux of things.  X and Y feel different I can totally get behind.  Got no problems with that.  Basic D&D and 3e D&D are about as different as you can get.  So, I'm not sure if anyone is denying that there are any differences.The sticking point for me is when you add the tag, "3e and 4e feel very different to me, so, 4e isn't really D&D anymore."That's where I draw the line.</blockquote>

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