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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5458433" data-attributes="member: 19675">No thank you.  I see it kind of like tilting at windmills.I know from my own introspection that 4Ed doesn't feel like D&D to me; that playing 4Ed feels like playing FRPGs that I would never call D&D; and that my own HERO D&D clones did deliver a substantially D&D-esque experience to me and certain players.  I also know that I can and do enjoy 4Ed on the basis of treating it like any other FRPG, but that for some, the game is such a departure, they won't even try it beyond PC design.  It actually causes revulsion in them.Part of that is mechanics...but not all, or the HERO games wouldn't have felt that way.Part of that is class/level structure...but not all, or I'd have to count games like Palladium RPG, and I don't.I must therefore admit that a good part of what is going on when I say "4Ed is not D&D to me" is purely irrational, an emotional response...which I have done, numerous times, here and in other threads.But certain people are unable to see that phrase as anything but a red flag to their inner toro, so Mercurius (laudibly) started this thread in an attempt to find a way to a better resolution than derailed thread after derailed thread.  Unfortunately, we haven't been able to agree on anything more concrete than the tautology of "it's D&D if it's been released into the market as D&D."Beyond that, everything goes to hell.And the reason is, beyond that, there is no agreement.  I was just in another thread and noted that someone posted that D&D was fundamentally unchanged- still a D20 vs target number- from it's earliest days.  That there are other games that use that might not matter to him.</blockquote>

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