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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5459224" data-attributes="member: 19675"><p>Actually, I think that is probably the best formulation you've proposed to date. About the only thing I'd change is "in terms of mechanics, game play and experience" for clarity.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>We mean that 4Ee lacks some quality the speaker is expecting from playing something with that label.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I was actually going to bring up Rush...but KC is one of my favorite bands as well: not only do I have most of their albums, I play guitar primarily in Fripp's New Standard Tuning!</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think it lacks specificity for a variety of reasons, depending on the speaker, but it isn't intentionally misleading.</p><p></p><p>On the one hand, it could be the speaker has such a long and strong litany of dislikes of mid-90's KC that "mid-90s King Crimson isn't King Crimson to me" is about the only way they can get through the conversation in a concise and civil way.</p><p></p><p>OTOH, it could be something as simple as a feeling that they're "just resting on their laurels", "pandering to a fad" or something even more ephemeral, and thus difficult to put into words.</p><p></p><p>That said, even Robert Fripp makes distinctions in his musical output. Part of the reason there are years-long gaps in the KC catalog is that Fripp only has the band active when he has KC music to record. If music he wants to record isn't <em>"King Crimson"</em> in his mind, he records it as a solo album or with someone else. Hence Frippertronics, Fripp & Sylvan, Fripp & Summers, League of Crafty Guitarists, appearances with David Bowie, California Guitar Trio, and others, etc.</p><p></p><p>To use Rush (since I thought about them in this context), there are a couple of albums that simply aren't real Rush albums to me. They'd be OK from almost anyone else, but they include elements that- to me- are ill-fitting additions to their sound. And the sales of those albums were low enough that it was clear that much of their fanbase felt likewise. Those elements never resurfaced.</p><p></p><p>Now, I've not seen interviews with the band saying how they felt about this. They may have felt they were taking the band exactly where they wanted it to go, that their new sound would be seen as an evolution, and the lower sales were a disappointment. Or the new elements could have been the result of label pressure, or the influence of the producer, so their lack of popularity would be seen as a vindication of their sound, sans additional elements.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 5459224, member: 19675"] Actually, I think that is probably the best formulation you've proposed to date. About the only thing I'd change is "in terms of mechanics, game play and experience" for clarity. We mean that 4Ee lacks some quality the speaker is expecting from playing something with that label. I was actually going to bring up Rush...but KC is one of my favorite bands as well: not only do I have most of their albums, I play guitar primarily in Fripp's New Standard Tuning! I think it lacks specificity for a variety of reasons, depending on the speaker, but it isn't intentionally misleading. On the one hand, it could be the speaker has such a long and strong litany of dislikes of mid-90's KC that "mid-90s King Crimson isn't King Crimson to me" is about the only way they can get through the conversation in a concise and civil way. OTOH, it could be something as simple as a feeling that they're "just resting on their laurels", "pandering to a fad" or something even more ephemeral, and thus difficult to put into words. That said, even Robert Fripp makes distinctions in his musical output. Part of the reason there are years-long gaps in the KC catalog is that Fripp only has the band active when he has KC music to record. If music he wants to record isn't [I]"King Crimson"[/I] in his mind, he records it as a solo album or with someone else. Hence Frippertronics, Fripp & Sylvan, Fripp & Summers, League of Crafty Guitarists, appearances with David Bowie, California Guitar Trio, and others, etc. To use Rush (since I thought about them in this context), there are a couple of albums that simply aren't real Rush albums to me. They'd be OK from almost anyone else, but they include elements that- to me- are ill-fitting additions to their sound. And the sales of those albums were low enough that it was clear that much of their fanbase felt likewise. Those elements never resurfaced. Now, I've not seen interviews with the band saying how they felt about this. They may have felt they were taking the band exactly where they wanted it to go, that their new sound would be seen as an evolution, and the lower sales were a disappointment. Or the new elements could have been the result of label pressure, or the influence of the producer, so their lack of popularity would be seen as a vindication of their sound, sans additional elements. [/QUOTE]
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