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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5459227" data-attributes="member: 957">The problem with this, no one is bound to observe your arbitrary definitions.  This is pretty much free exchange here, and there simply comes with that a degree of obligation on listener's part to take context and the reasonable meanings of the speaker into account.  Certainly people can and do just make flatly unreasonable statements.  But this is just not a valid example of that.Ok, so one clear point in here is that the fourth stage does not feel like the first three stages.  Your defintion of what King Crimson sounds like includes all three stages, but, at a minimum, the fourth stage feels different than the others.   If I could time travel back to stage two and play a stage four song for you, without you knowing who it was, then, as you already said, that would not feel like King Crimson to you.  It doesn't feel like those stages to you, and you had not yet revised your defintion to include this new sound.  It only became included once you changes your defintion.And the thing is, there is no obligation to change the definition.  And if you really didn't like the new stuff at all and did not listen to it, it is very likely that in your mind the would not fall in the same segment on a Venn diagram as the music that you think of when you think of "King Crimson music".I still think no one anywhere is disputed that it is officially D&D.  But when you wake up in the morning and find your self struck by the mood to listen to King Crimson, there is an understood that requires no statement that it is the old stuff and specifically not the new stuff you want.  Despite the valid name, what you want when you think of King Crimson is more specific than all the music that officially meets that definition.Maybe I am not describing you right.  Maybe you just grab any King Crimson without discrimination and then just feel a little bummed when you get new stuff and it doesn't live up to your hopes.  But, if that describes you, then you are far from typical.  (which is cool)There are people for whom the phrase "let's play D&D" strikes a very positve cord, with expectations and eagerness associated.  And if you then clarify 4E, they will become deflated because they suddenly realize that those expectations will not be fullfilled.  They, of course, realize that 4E did in fact fall under "D&D", but it just wasn't what they thought of and anticipated.  And, once upon a time, they were not obligated to look out for that loophole when someone said "lets play D&D".</blockquote>

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