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Message: <blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 5462276" data-attributes="member: 957">Other than this declaration, I don't think we are disagreeing.And I'm kinda torn on that.I have no doubt that you can play table top RPGs with no investment.I have no doubt that you can play MMOs with great levels of investment.I think we both agree that the odds of finding great investment are much higher if you pick a random table top group.But both platform certainly allow for both styles.  But maybe your word "presume" is good.  Maybe tabletops presume investment, but you can get by without it, while MMOs don't presume it and simply leave room for it if you want to bring it along.That certainly fits back to my premise about why MMO players did not end up flocking to 4E.</blockquote>