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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 5472034" data-attributes="member: 22779">Really?  So, that -6 I take to jump checks for having a base 20 movement is narratively determined?  That -8 I take for wearing plate mail is narratively determined?  The fact that I can only spend X ranks in jump dependent on my level is narratively determined?  The bonus I get to my jump check based on my Str is narratively determined?Really?  Plus, when I actually try to jump, how far I jump is based on any narrative I the player make?  Or, is it entirely determined by the mechanics of the game?Sure, I can determine if I'm good at jumping or not.  That's part of the character building mechanics.  But, whether or not I am good at jumping, how far I can jump is entirely mechanically determined.  In the same way, all good trippers must have a base Int of 13 (Combat Expertise feat requires an Int of 13).  How is that narratively determined?  Anyone who is good at tripping must be of above average intelligence.The vast majority of D&D is not narratively determined.  If you want narratively determined mechanics, there are excellent games out there that do this.  Spirit of the Century immedietely jumps to mind here, where the fact that you are good at something flows from the character narratives.  3:16 Carnage Beyond the Stars also allows for all sorts of narrative control in the game. D&D?  Not so much.</blockquote>