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<blockquote data-quote="Abraxas" data-source="post: 5481926" data-attributes="member: 1266">Hmmm - i didn't think that was what he was claiming, he posted&quot;What this adds up to is a heavy mechanical leaning towards forcing players to take improved trip before even trying to trip anyone. The mechanics allow you to try it without the feat, but, make it such a bad idea, that no one actually does it.And if you think I'm wrong, ask yourself this: How often, as a DM, did you use a trip attack on a PC when the opponent didn't have some sort of tripping power like a wolf? How often did you see a player use the trip mechanics that didn't have Improved Trip?&quot;To which I replied that my group must be different - and every group I've played 3.XE in - because we saw it used fairly often - and as I pointed out, it was probably used more by the NPCs because when it works it really hampers the PCs.We also saw other combat maneuvers like sunder and disarm used, plus characters using tanglefoot bags and alchemist fire, plus any other trick we could use to get an edge - and any trick we used, the NPCs used to.I find it hard to believe that we were unique in this.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Abraxas, post: 5481926, member: 1266"] Hmmm - i didn't think that was what he was claiming, he posted "[I]What this adds up to is a heavy mechanical leaning towards forcing players to take improved trip before even trying to trip anyone. The mechanics allow you to try it without the feat, but, make it such a bad idea, that no one actually does it. And if you think I'm wrong, ask yourself this: How often, as a DM, did you use a trip attack on a PC when the opponent didn't have some sort of tripping power like a wolf? How often did you see a player use the trip mechanics that didn't have Improved Trip?[/I]" To which I replied that my group must be different - and every group I've played 3.XE in - because we saw it used fairly often - and as I pointed out, it was probably used more by the NPCs because when it works it really hampers the PCs. We also saw other combat maneuvers like sunder and disarm used, plus characters using tanglefoot bags and alchemist fire, plus any other trick we could use to get an edge - and any trick we used, the NPCs used to. I find it hard to believe that we were unique in this. [/QUOTE]

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