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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tarek" data-source="post: 3747423" data-attributes="member: 6661">Ah.... no.The "upper planes" of the Great Wheel are pleasant, benign places where you'd like to spend your afterlife.The "lower planes" of the Great Wheel are unpleasant, horrific places where your soul is tormented for eternity.If anything, the Outer Planes of the Great Wheel are embodiments of an OBJECTIVE, ABSOLUTE moral and ethical system.You are projecting relativist confusion into something that is meant to represent objective absolute ethics and morals.The outer planes are the planes of Ideals. They are infinite in size, and represent the idea that when you die, you get what you deserve. If you've lived a good life, your soul goes to the Seven Heavens, or Valhalla, or the Twin Paradises. If you've lived an evil life, your soul gets to exist in pits of lava in the Nine Hells or in the formless and everchanging torments of the Abyss.Those who didn't believe in anything strongly enough, those who were wishy-washy or just didn't live by a strong code of ethics or morals... they go to hub of the Great Wheel and are reincarnated.The moral and ethical relativism errors came in with Planescape, which made some extremely odd decisions about what happened to souls in the afterlife and for some unfathomable reason made the Outer Planes a common, everyday sort of adventuring campaign. If you follow Planescape's ideas about the planes, then yes, Liches have it correct; eternal unlife is far better than dying and being slowly dissolved into non-existance in the fabric of the outer planes.</blockquote>

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