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<blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 3748378" data-attributes="member: 7624"><p>What I am trying to say, perhaps not clearly enough is that the validity or "correctness" of any moral position imaginable is determined not by an absolute objective determination of right/wrong or good/evil but is relative to the point on the Great Wheel alignment compass upon which you stand.</p><p></p><p>The fact that if I stand on the compass point labeled abyss, I am moral validated to commit a Rwanda style genocide of my rivals and if I am inclined to show mercy to my enemy and simply hand him over to rightful authorities I am validated if I stand on the point entitled Mount Celestia.</p><p></p><p>All morality on the Great Wheel is relative to where you stand on the wheel. There is no final arbiter, not even the distant type Tolkienish Eru, the Krynnish High God or the Realmsian Ao to stand as the ultimately wise and correct source of moral "rightness" by which you can call a demon's point of view unequivocally wrong on all counts.</p><p></p><p>This is what I think of as a flaw and this is what I see as morally relativistic about the Great Wheel. That no one can actually call Orcus' plan t turn an entire world into undead slaves wrong outside of their own petty opinion is IMO ridiculous. Who is to say that he's wrong? Tyr, Torm, Pelor, Cuthbert, Paladine? Who cares what they think, they are only points on the philosophical compass as well not necessarily more morally right than he is.</p><p></p><p>It is this I refer to as moral relativisim because that term seems to fit best. I believe that this sucks the heart right out of heroic fantasy.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sundragon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sundragon2012, post: 3748378, member: 7624"] What I am trying to say, perhaps not clearly enough is that the validity or "correctness" of any moral position imaginable is determined not by an absolute objective determination of right/wrong or good/evil but is relative to the point on the Great Wheel alignment compass upon which you stand. The fact that if I stand on the compass point labeled abyss, I am moral validated to commit a Rwanda style genocide of my rivals and if I am inclined to show mercy to my enemy and simply hand him over to rightful authorities I am validated if I stand on the point entitled Mount Celestia. All morality on the Great Wheel is relative to where you stand on the wheel. There is no final arbiter, not even the distant type Tolkienish Eru, the Krynnish High God or the Realmsian Ao to stand as the ultimately wise and correct source of moral "rightness" by which you can call a demon's point of view unequivocally wrong on all counts. This is what I think of as a flaw and this is what I see as morally relativistic about the Great Wheel. That no one can actually call Orcus' plan t turn an entire world into undead slaves wrong outside of their own petty opinion is IMO ridiculous. Who is to say that he's wrong? Tyr, Torm, Pelor, Cuthbert, Paladine? Who cares what they think, they are only points on the philosophical compass as well not necessarily more morally right than he is. It is this I refer to as moral relativisim because that term seems to fit best. I believe that this sucks the heart right out of heroic fantasy. Sundragon [/QUOTE]
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