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<blockquote data-quote="Sundragon2012" data-source="post: 3748697" data-attributes="member: 7624"><p>I'm sorry but that is not expressed in canon to my knowledge. I like the idea, but because I am referring to the official Great Wheel and its assumptions, I beg to differ with you. Your interpretation, though interesting, presumes that a chaotic evil soul is getting what it derserves as opposed to going where it must due to its natural state. Your interpretation borders on claiming that the chaotic evil soul is getting punished and this is certainly not found anywhere in canon regarding the nature of souls. Individual souls may be tormented by demons, but the very fact they a chaotic evil soul is drawn into the abyss cannot be presumed to be a punishment.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wold understand this IF it were supported by canon, but it is not. I would like to reference good ol' Orcus as an example. Orcus is one hateful, powerful demonic SOB but he was once as mortal as you and I. He was an evil soul of some wicked bastage who has ascended to nearly divine levels of power. This process is repeated throughout the abyss over and over again as mortal souls become demons who then become demon princes. Orcus is the big kahuna on the plane he rules. He is not being tormented. I would argue that the hate, rage, fury, cruelty, malevolence he feels is his ambrosia.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Incorrect, the alignment of a mortal permanently alters the nature of his or her soul aligning it to one of the planes of the Great Wheel. There is no punishment suggested in any source despite the fact that souls are tortured on arrival. If good folks are rewarded and evil are punished then what of the ambivalent neutrals who end up on Mechanus or the Outlands? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sundragon</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sundragon2012, post: 3748697, member: 7624"] I'm sorry but that is not expressed in canon to my knowledge. I like the idea, but because I am referring to the official Great Wheel and its assumptions, I beg to differ with you. Your interpretation, though interesting, presumes that a chaotic evil soul is getting what it derserves as opposed to going where it must due to its natural state. Your interpretation borders on claiming that the chaotic evil soul is getting punished and this is certainly not found anywhere in canon regarding the nature of souls. Individual souls may be tormented by demons, but the very fact they a chaotic evil soul is drawn into the abyss cannot be presumed to be a punishment. I wold understand this IF it were supported by canon, but it is not. I would like to reference good ol' Orcus as an example. Orcus is one hateful, powerful demonic SOB but he was once as mortal as you and I. He was an evil soul of some wicked bastage who has ascended to nearly divine levels of power. This process is repeated throughout the abyss over and over again as mortal souls become demons who then become demon princes. Orcus is the big kahuna on the plane he rules. He is not being tormented. I would argue that the hate, rage, fury, cruelty, malevolence he feels is his ambrosia. Incorrect, the alignment of a mortal permanently alters the nature of his or her soul aligning it to one of the planes of the Great Wheel. There is no punishment suggested in any source despite the fact that souls are tortured on arrival. If good folks are rewarded and evil are punished then what of the ambivalent neutrals who end up on Mechanus or the Outlands? Sundragon [/QUOTE]
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