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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tarek" data-source="post: 3748732" data-attributes="member: 6661">And here's another assumption you make...The Great Wheel is just a way of imagining how the outer planes relate to each other. It is not a physical structure except in the ill-concieved Planescape.And no, where you stand on the Great Rectangle or Great Icosahedron or whatever you call it does not determine "right" or "wrong" actions. Evil actions are always evil, regardless of whether you are in the Abyss or in the Heavens.If you take away the Lawful and Chaotic absolutes, then you're left with, what? What are you left with when you reduce the number of absolutes to Good and Evil? The Great Yardstick? Doesn't that mean that Good and Evil then are necessary and therefore morally equivalent, simply because you picture the Outer Planes as being a Yardstick?You say that the Great Wheel itself doesn't prefer one over the other... and then say that this means that good and evil, right and wrong are now just relative to the individual's beliefs.You also say that the Great Wheel has a "dynamic balance". No, it doesn't. It simply exists as a way for limited mortal minds to picture the relationships between the infinite planes. If there were no selfish mortals who treat everything and everyone around them as toys for their personal amusement, the Abyss wouldn't exist, and the Great Wheel would still be a valid way of looking at the Outer Planes.</blockquote>