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<blockquote data-quote="Slapzilla" data-source="post: 3760544" data-attributes="member: 52781">It does seem silly that every soul in the multiverse fits one of nine profiles.Those who study such things say that Hitler thought he was doing the right thing.&nbsp; It cannot be argued that he is the perfect example of evil in the real world.&nbsp; He had no idea.&nbsp; The moral relativist philosophically understands that.&nbsp; The moral absolutist just sees evil.&nbsp; The Great Wheel would have a spot for him because he fit a profile.&nbsp; Would the devils reward him for rising to heights of LE-ness not seen in centuries, or would they punish him for his life's work?&nbsp; The answer is, of course, completely dependent upon your relativist/absolutist point of view.&nbsp; Removing our own sense of morality requires us to not see things as rewards or punishments, but rather as something earned. I've stated before that good, evil, law and chaos are quantifiable, measurable things to be smited and protected from.&nbsp; In DnD, these things do exist as absolutes.&nbsp; Orcus is fulfilling his destiny his way because he is CE, and for no other reason.&nbsp; Bahamut is what he is because he is LG.It gets sticky when you start thinking about why the Solars don't try to stop the senseless killing and suffering caused by the Blood War.&nbsp; Letting evil kill each other over an ethical squabble is still letting redeemable souls kill and die in a senseless, savage conflict.&nbsp; Is it because that campaign is not yet winnable and the risk of losing is to leave the multiverse with out it's bastion of good protectors?&nbsp; I could call that a cop-out.&nbsp; I could be wrong.&nbsp; The point is that, yes, moral relativism exists in the world but it is a philosophical exercise that has nothing to do with the nine spots on the Great Wheel...which judges all according to what they've earned.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Slapzilla, post: 3760544, member: 52781"] It does seem silly that every soul in the multiverse fits one of nine profiles. Those who study such things say that Hitler thought he was doing the right thing. It cannot be argued that he is the perfect example of evil in the real world. He had no idea. The moral relativist philosophically understands that. The moral absolutist just sees evil. The Great Wheel would have a spot for him because he fit a profile. Would the devils reward him for rising to heights of LE-ness not seen in centuries, or would they punish him for his life's work? The answer is, of course, completely dependent upon your relativist/absolutist point of view. Removing our own sense of morality requires us to not see things as rewards or punishments, but rather as something earned. I've stated before that good, evil, law and chaos are quantifiable, measurable things to be smited and protected from. In DnD, these things do exist as absolutes. Orcus is fulfilling his destiny his way because he is CE, and for no other reason. Bahamut is what he is because he is LG. It gets sticky when you start thinking about why the Solars don't try to stop the senseless killing and suffering caused by the Blood War. Letting evil kill each other over an ethical squabble is still letting redeemable souls kill and die in a senseless, savage conflict. Is it because that campaign is not yet winnable and the risk of losing is to leave the multiverse with out it's bastion of good protectors? I could call that a cop-out. I could be wrong. The point is that, yes, moral relativism exists in the world but it is a philosophical exercise that has nothing to do with the nine spots on the Great Wheel...which judges all according to what they've earned. [/QUOTE]

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