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<blockquote data-quote="Tarek" data-source="post: 3761497" data-attributes="member: 6661"><p>Here's another thing... the "Blood War" is solely a construct of the Planescape setting. It didn't exist in 1e, it didn't exist in Basic, it didn't exist in 2nd edition products prior to the Planescape setting.</p><p></p><p>The only reason the "blood war" exists is as a consequence of the Planescape setting, which had to justify the changes it made to the number of outer planes and the way they interact and had to come up with a reason that the good aligned planes weren't constantly at war with the evil aligned planes.</p><p></p><p>Devils in 1st edition are limited to the Astral, the Nine Hells, Acheron, and Gehenna. Demons are limited to the Astral, the Abyss, Pandemonium and Tarterus. Neither of them can reach Hades; the Blood War is impossible under 1st edition "Great Wheel" cosmology, as Demons and Devils in the Astral cannot slay each other permanently. The permanent destruction of the "opposing side" is the entire reason Planescape says drives the Blood War.</p><p></p><p>In addition, the claim is made by some that if the Demons and Devils ganged up on the Solars, Archons, Devas, etc, that somehow the forces of Good would be overwhelmed. This is patently false, since the planes of Good also have an infinite amount of "angels" to match the infinite amount of "demons and devils".</p><p></p><p>Then we throw in the fact that more deities dwell in the Upper planes than the Lower ones...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tarek, post: 3761497, member: 6661"] Here's another thing... the "Blood War" is solely a construct of the Planescape setting. It didn't exist in 1e, it didn't exist in Basic, it didn't exist in 2nd edition products prior to the Planescape setting. The only reason the "blood war" exists is as a consequence of the Planescape setting, which had to justify the changes it made to the number of outer planes and the way they interact and had to come up with a reason that the good aligned planes weren't constantly at war with the evil aligned planes. Devils in 1st edition are limited to the Astral, the Nine Hells, Acheron, and Gehenna. Demons are limited to the Astral, the Abyss, Pandemonium and Tarterus. Neither of them can reach Hades; the Blood War is impossible under 1st edition "Great Wheel" cosmology, as Demons and Devils in the Astral cannot slay each other permanently. The permanent destruction of the "opposing side" is the entire reason Planescape says drives the Blood War. In addition, the claim is made by some that if the Demons and Devils ganged up on the Solars, Archons, Devas, etc, that somehow the forces of Good would be overwhelmed. This is patently false, since the planes of Good also have an infinite amount of "angels" to match the infinite amount of "demons and devils". Then we throw in the fact that more deities dwell in the Upper planes than the Lower ones... [/QUOTE]
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