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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Slapzilla" data-source="post: 3762599" data-attributes="member: 52781">1st paragraph; Moral Relativist says yes, Moral absolutist says heck no!2nd paragraph; I don't think they are non existant, but they lose their classic definition and thus, their vitality.  They still exist subjectively and subjective good and evil may not be absolutist good and evil.As for fiends banding together to attack the upper planes... certainly in the realm of possibilities but not my point.  I think it is 'exalted' (in DnD terms) to give mercy to the enemy.  To allow the chance for redemption.  A red dragon lives in Celestia because it and the residents believe that it wants to redeem itself.  The drive to redeem (or corrupt) is part and parcel of being a Celestial or Fiend.  Personally I think stopping the Blood War isn't done on a large scale is because it isn't smart, but on an individual scale it is as necessary as a heartbeat to try.I think the OP's thrust is about to be lost in a muddle of philosophical concept definitions.  I hope not, but if so, it's been nice debating this topic.</blockquote>