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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9514027" data-attributes="member: 6790260">It absolutely does in mine. Devils always and only come from the Nine Hells, and no other plane looks or works like the Nine Hells. Modrons always and only come from Mechanus, and no other plane can ever be clockwork-y because if it were it would just be part of Mechanus in the first place. Anything with a fire-elemental origin somehow traces back to the elemental plane of fire, or to one of the hemisemidemiplanes sprouting from it.The Great Wheel is where interesting cosmology goes to die. New planes don't exist; planar cosmologists know the exact list and general content of every single inner, outer, and interstitial plane, without exception. No new elemental planes will ever be discovered. No new aligned planes will ever be discovered. Anything that isn't one of those--by process of elimination--must be "merely" another Prime Material plane.I really don't think there is such an implication. Particularly because I've never seen any official source even theorize an attempt to do so, nor seen any interest from the fanbase at large for such a thing. The Great Wheel is functionally fixed. Perhaps, in some alternate universe where the focus remained on the Prime as Snarf wishes it had, your position might have come true. But in practice it did not.A purely-theoretical "well maybe other planes COULD exist!" is frankly completely trumped by the actual, historical usage of these things. Further, you cite the 3e MOTP as saying that the Great Wheel could accept new planes, but you clearly didn't read the introductory text for the chapter on "Variant Planes & Cosmologies" (emphasis added): "None of the following planes have a place on the Great Wheel, but you can use them in a cosmology you build yourself." That's pretty explicitly saying that the Great Wheel is fixed. You can choose to come up with your own, custom cosmology...but whatever thing you come up with won't be the Great Wheel anymore.I mean, the fact that you have to admit that it got retconned like that shows the very reason it has to be so: there will always be a pressure to make any deviation conform to the structure. It is too mechanistic.</blockquote>

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