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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8084877" data-attributes="member: 5142">Your personal bias has already been brought into the discussion. Trying to hide it behind a chart with a highly subjective grading system and categories doesn't really change that.I don’t think that your framework of discussion is helpful. It misses the forest in favor of the trees. Overall, the Cypher System is most definitely inspired by D&D and the d20 system, and can easily be used to play D&D style games. Is it the d20 system? No. It’s something new. But the fingerprints of the d20 system, D&D, and its place in the Zeitgeist discussed above are kinda hard to ignore. So I think that it’s a little disingenuous to argue that Numenera isn’t a non-OGL Post-Apocayptic D&D with the serial numbers filed off. As I said before, Numenera plays a lot like an alternate version of D&D in the experience of both [USER=16586]@Campbell[/USER] and myself. (And I suspect the Alexandrian as well since he plays a lot of Cypher System too.) This does not somehow make Numenera bad. To its credit, much as Campbell says, Monte Cook designed a good system for helping the GM get the system out of the way for storytelling. I think that arguing which game plays more like D&D - Savage Worlds or Numenera - is something of a red herring. If you want to talk about how Savage Worlds stems from its own surrounding d20 era Zeitgeist, then that would be a fun discussion with having. Because I do think that SW belongs to a similar family of games with 3e D&D and Pathfinder. SW definitely feels like it comes out of the '00 d20 era of games. But I would group Numenera as belonging to a later classification of games: i.e., d2010.I am familiar with The Bridges We Burn, having run it myself, but that does little to change my play experience of Numenera as being a part of the d2010 era books. And when you also look at the adventure designs of Bruce Cordell, Sean K. Reynolds, and Shanna Germain, which all seem rooted in a D&D approach to adventuring, then that says a lot about the nature of the game. It's not a knock on Numenera to say that I don't think the Cook, Cordell, and Reynolds could not avoid D&Disms even if they tried. If the Cypher System was so incompatible in terms of play to D&D settings, then we would not be seeing Ptolus and Diamond Throne for the Cypher System or even playing Numenera with 5e. But we are, and that also says a lot to me about the compatibility of the styles of gaming between the two systems. <a href="https://www.montecookgames.com/x-htm/" target="_blank">Monte Cook's own sense of Numenera play in its adventures </a>seems fairly rooted in and informed by D&D as well.</blockquote>

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