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Message: <blockquote data-quote="The Serge" data-source="post: 279339" data-attributes="member: 4049">It would have been interesting to see, I'll warrent you that.But for me, even since 1ed, I always felt that at least two or so Arch-Devils and Demon Princes should have been Greater gods.  I simply uped the ante to Overpower with the advent of 2ed.  Clarify, please.While I find this to be a fascinating idea, are you suggesting that Ahriman goes through all this trouble to remain hidden from something?  And, is this based off the old Dragon magazine that stats Lucifer (DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT ISSUE THIS IS AND WHERE THE HECK I CAN FIND IT???!!!!!)And, if you go with this idea, is there something similar on the Demonic side?  You already know that I cap the Demon Princes out at no more than Intermediate power (although I'd be willing to see a few up to Greater).  Would you through in Miltonesque or Dantesque entities into the Greater power realm?Most certainly.  But I also think that what you're suggesting does not appear to challenge "old school/old guard" concepts, and does not seem to promote a dualistic, overarching, multiplanar cosmology.  I think I've explained my position well enough... I just think that it seems to threaten too many established and official perspectives from the various D&D incarnations.  It's never been posted in its entirety because it's way too long.  But, I have posted the gist of it.Thanks!  I emailed you about fifteen minutes ago.Yes, but the Furcas in Legions of Hell is not the Dark Eight Furcas.  The Furcus in LoH is actually based more upon the occultic, "Catholic" mythology of a Devil of the same name.  While the Dark Eight Furcas, except for the name, is entirely "fictional."  Incidently, the Dark Eight Furcas was and has always been a Pit Fiend since the 1ed (he's listed in the MM2 and in the Dragon mag, #75.  LoH is more "accurate" as far as adhering to classical demological stuff than D&D (like noting, among other things, that Belial and Baalzebub are fallen angels, and including Leviathan and Lilith as Lords of the Nine).  LoH is in the position to do so because they are not as corporate (or as well known) as WotC and D&D and don't have to worry about the backlash (although WotC may be willing to accept some backlash with the impending Book of Vile Darkness, which will undoubtedly be perceived in the wrong way by both immature gamers and the general public).</blockquote>

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