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<blockquote data-quote="Upper_Krust" data-source="post: 279695" data-attributes="member: 326"><p>Hello again the Serge mate! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>...well remember, I mentioned the plans Gary Gygax was never able to fulfill.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well the name Asmodeus was itself derived from the Persian Aeshma Deva - which was actually an evil spirit created by the Persian Over-deity Ahriman! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with this is that Asmodeus was statted in 1st Ed. - so unless you want to say Gary was lying to us you have to fit your reasoning around this fact (as I have).</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well Ahriman may be the personification of Lawful Evil but that means hes playing second fiddle to Evil itself, as I advocate.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I don't see that being the Asmodeus we know and love though! Which is why I am happy with the Ahriman distinction which keeps 'Asmodeus' in his place.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Tut tut tut! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Everyones entitled to their own opinion.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>But the points you mentioned were merely mechanical changes not philosophical upheavals!</p><p></p><p>If Gary Gygax lays down a fundamental philosophy (on something he created no less) then anyone looking to change that better have concrete reasoning.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Every campaign is entitled to do things their own way.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>But that was only a name change.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I always envisioned she was something to do with Fate.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>There is no evidence to indicate the Lady of Pain has substantial power outside Sigil (as far as I know).</p><p></p><p>I would suggest she is an Avatar of the Entity Fate.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Another mere name change.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>I agree.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>No harm in evolving things along.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I agree with this, just not with your arbitrary decision to augment Asmodeus and Demogorgon "just because..."</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Then how can you see an overarching cosmology with Ahriman (and Jazirian?) at the top?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Evil gods ARE evil spirits. (If you wanted to make a distinction they are evil spirits with worshippers)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why though?</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well Ahriman perhaps...</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Well he rules the Devils.</p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>Maybe a Lesser God back by an organisation of billions of evil spirits..?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I already have the 'Good' hierarchy covered. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Onlly the six demon monarchs genuinely contest with each other - thats why they are the self styled Kings and Queens.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You will love the fights in the Gord the Rogue novels! </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm sure he will! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No problem mate. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Upper_Krust, post: 279695, member: 326"] Hello again the Serge mate! :) :) ...well remember, I mentioned the plans Gary Gygax was never able to fulfill. Well the name Asmodeus was itself derived from the Persian Aeshma Deva - which was actually an evil spirit created by the Persian Over-deity Ahriman! The problem with this is that Asmodeus was statted in 1st Ed. - so unless you want to say Gary was lying to us you have to fit your reasoning around this fact (as I have). Well Ahriman may be the personification of Lawful Evil but that means hes playing second fiddle to Evil itself, as I advocate. I don't see that being the Asmodeus we know and love though! Which is why I am happy with the Ahriman distinction which keeps 'Asmodeus' in his place. Tut tut tut! :D Everyones entitled to their own opinion. But the points you mentioned were merely mechanical changes not philosophical upheavals! If Gary Gygax lays down a fundamental philosophy (on something he created no less) then anyone looking to change that better have concrete reasoning. Every campaign is entitled to do things their own way. But that was only a name change. I always envisioned she was something to do with Fate. There is no evidence to indicate the Lady of Pain has substantial power outside Sigil (as far as I know). I would suggest she is an Avatar of the Entity Fate. Another mere name change. I agree. No harm in evolving things along. I agree with this, just not with your arbitrary decision to augment Asmodeus and Demogorgon "just because..." Then how can you see an overarching cosmology with Ahriman (and Jazirian?) at the top? Evil gods ARE evil spirits. (If you wanted to make a distinction they are evil spirits with worshippers) Why though? Well Ahriman perhaps... Well he rules the Devils. Maybe a Lesser God back by an organisation of billions of evil spirits..? I already have the 'Good' hierarchy covered. ;) Onlly the six demon monarchs genuinely contest with each other - thats why they are the self styled Kings and Queens. You will love the fights in the Gord the Rogue novels! I'm sure he will! :) No problem mate. ;) :) [/QUOTE]
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