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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Immort" data-source="post: 336005" data-attributes="member: 2001">So whut yer sayin is, IF you get initiative and can use yer sneak attack, IF they are within 30 feet, IF you max out power attack AND still manage to threat despite the fact that yer bab is drastically reduced, AND follow up with a crit, AND roll MAX damage on EVERY DIE, THEN and only then, can you possibly hope to compete with the cleric's archery?  (interestin' to note that ya had ta pick a sorry little young adult white dragon ta make yer scenario work)  Problem is, I have detailed an archer who is ENORMOUSLY capable in every situation regardless of variables, will ALWAYS have a better BAB then the PA even if he ain't usin' power attack, will therefore always do more damage with a full round action unless Kord walks up and dumps ALL of his luck into you at which point you can get ONE good shot.And as fer averages, that does tend ta be the benchmark most folks use ta determine overall effectivness of a character, seein as how an AVERAGE is what is going to occur most of the time.  Sayin' that when every possible thing defies the law of averages on every level that yer example is effective is patently absurd.-Immort</blockquote>