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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jester47" data-source="post: 612698" data-attributes="member: 2238">Just disappear Elminster.  Make him busy somewhere else.  Make the flight of dragons somewhere else and have the players hear about it later.  Have an attack on shadowdale that shifts it to another plane in an attempt to weaken elminster by neutralising his home base namly his tower in shadowdale.  It will make the players feel better.  Shadowdale will be like "Yo Minster where were you when we got sucked into the 9th level of hell?"  "Lucky enough there were these guys, REAL heroes who got us out."  Make the players the center.  Dont second edition them into elminsters little helpers.Who is as powerful as Elminster? Manshoon, Szass Tam,Suruppak all come pretty close.  And there are more. Why dont they take out the real big baddies?He has said it himself: p.84 FRCS Sidebar "The Concerns of the Mighty""There comes a time when every student and many a passing merchant, farmer, and king too, demands the same answer of me:  Why, O meddler and mighty mage, do ye not set the crooked straight?  Why not strike directly against the evils that threaten Faerun?  Why do not all mighty folk of good heart not simply make everything right?I've heard that cry so many times.  Now hearken, once and for all, to my answers as to why the great and powerful don't fix Toril entire every day.First, (paraphrased) The bad guys are just as powerful as we are.  We may win but the chances of loosing are just as great. Second (parapharsed) The road to hell is paved with good intentions.  Our actions could cause somthing worse than what we got rid of.  Meddling does more harm than good.Third, few folk can agree on what is right, what should be done, and what the best end result would be.  (Paraphrased) When you think of hitting hard, be sure that someone who does not like the intended result will come after your ass.Fourth, (parapharsed) replacing kingdoms and evil with somthing that you see as good is a lot of work. Last, (parapharased) the powerful and mighty are in a big mexican standoff.  So they all do things through the harpers and the Zhentarim and other sorts of third parties.  Elminster takes out so and so, another baddy takes out Elminster, Simbul takes out other baddy, different baddy takes out SImbul etc etc.  Elminster does not want to have to look over his shoulder ALL the time.Right, any more silly questions?"Thats it. Aaron.</blockquote>

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