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<blockquote data-quote="Blackwind" data-source="post: 4017582" data-attributes="member: 1205">Well, I'm just going to say something that seems really obvious to me, and I can't believe no one has come out and said it already...This whole discussion is a confused mess because certain posters have failed to define their terms.&nbsp; Half of us are talking in Forgespeak (not necessarily a bad thing) and half of us are assuming that 'simulationism' means realism, which is a common-sense thing to assume if you're not familiar with Forgist game design theory.&nbsp; So, just to clear things up: in the game design jargon used on the Forge, which is a website about (mostly) indie RPG design, the term 'simulationist' has a specific meaning.&nbsp; If you want to know what that meaning is, these articles will help.<a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/_articles/system_does_matter.html" target="_blank">http://www.indie-rpgs.com/_articles/system_does_matter.html</a>&nbsp; &quot;System Does Matter,&quot; a brief article that defines Gamism, Narrativism, and Simulationism.<a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/" target="_blank">http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/</a>&nbsp; &quot;The Right to Dream&quot;, an essay exploring Simulationism.<a href="http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/20/" target="_blank">http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/20/</a>&nbsp; &quot;A Hard Look At Dungeons and Dragons,&quot; an essay looking at D&amp;D from the perspective of Forgist game design theory.For those of you with no interest in delving into this stuff, and who just want a succinct summation of what Simulationism means in Forgespeak:&quot;Simulationist. This player is satisfied if the system &quot;creates&quot; a little pocket universe without fudging. Simulationists include the well-known subtype of the Realist. Good games for Simulationists include GURPS and Pendragon.&quot;&nbsp; --Ron EdwardsHope this helps.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blackwind, post: 4017582, member: 1205"] Well, I'm just going to say something that seems really obvious to me, and I can't believe no one has come out and said it already... This whole discussion is a confused mess because certain posters have failed to define their terms. Half of us are talking in Forgespeak (not necessarily a bad thing) and half of us are assuming that 'simulationism' means realism, which is a common-sense thing to assume if you're not familiar with Forgist game design theory. So, just to clear things up: in the game design jargon used on the Forge, which is a website about (mostly) indie RPG design, the term 'simulationist' has a specific meaning. If you want to know what that meaning is, these articles will help. [url]http://www.indie-rpgs.com/_articles/system_does_matter.html[/url] "System Does Matter," a brief article that defines Gamism, Narrativism, and Simulationism. [url]http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/15/[/url] "The Right to Dream", an essay exploring Simulationism. [url]http://www.indie-rpgs.com/articles/20/[/url] "A Hard Look At Dungeons and Dragons," an essay looking at D&D from the perspective of Forgist game design theory. For those of you with no interest in delving into this stuff, and who just want a succinct summation of what Simulationism means in Forgespeak: "Simulationist. This player is satisfied if the system "creates" a little pocket universe without fudging. Simulationists include the well-known subtype of the Realist. Good games for Simulationists include GURPS and Pendragon." --Ron Edwards Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]

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