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<blockquote data-quote="apoptosis" data-source="post: 4019092" data-attributes="member: 3226">I dont mean to just disagree but from what you replied I dont feel we are on the same page.Actually what I mean is that they need narrativists based rules. Rules that engage narrativists play.LOTR in narrativists play---Gandalf - his character is about struggling using/not using great powers and how the ring could corrupt him = there would need to be rules that address both the consequences of him using his powers and that address his choice of taking and using the ring. There must be rules that make certain that the choice of him taking the ring comes into playBoromir - he wants to to use the ring for the good of Gondor. They need rules that allow that choice to firmly impact play (and rules that make sure that the choice happens)Samwise - that player wants a character where a individual of little power but great loyalty is crucial to the story. Rules that allow him to gain bonus dice and advantages whenever he helps Frodo obtain Frodos goal. His choice is also between loyalty to do Frodos wishes vs loyaltly to not let Frodo damage himself by being the ring bearer. The choice of taking the ring from Frodo for Frodos own good vs obeying Frodo must come into play and there must be some rules to facilitate this.Frodo - the player wants to be the main protagonist (this is of course arguable) but has little power but great responsibility. He needs rules that impact his choice to keep being the ring bearer vs lettign someone else take it for their own ends.That is what would be rules for narrativist play. A good rules set that does not address the characters goals and the players narrative control, do not address narrativist play at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="apoptosis, post: 4019092, member: 3226"] I dont mean to just disagree but from what you replied I dont feel we are on the same page. Actually what I mean is that they need narrativists based rules. Rules that engage narrativists play. LOTR in narrativists play--- Gandalf - his character is about struggling using/not using great powers and how the ring could corrupt him = there would need to be rules that address both the consequences of him using his powers and that address his choice of taking and using the ring. There must be rules that make certain that the choice of him taking the ring comes into play Boromir - he wants to to use the ring for the good of Gondor. They need rules that allow that choice to firmly impact play (and rules that make sure that the choice happens) Samwise - that player wants a character where a individual of little power but great loyalty is crucial to the story. Rules that allow him to gain bonus dice and advantages whenever he helps Frodo obtain Frodos goal. His choice is also between loyalty to do Frodos wishes vs loyaltly to not let Frodo damage himself by being the ring bearer. The choice of taking the ring from Frodo for Frodos own good vs obeying Frodo must come into play and there must be some rules to facilitate this. Frodo - the player wants to be the main protagonist (this is of course arguable) but has little power but great responsibility. He needs rules that impact his choice to keep being the ring bearer vs lettign someone else take it for their own ends. That is what would be rules for narrativist play. A good rules set that does not address the characters goals and the players narrative control, do not address narrativist play at all. [/QUOTE]

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