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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8773896" data-attributes="member: 93670"><p>I think tiny hut is the best example. Up till at least 3.x it was basically a tent the Wizard could use to rget in a good night's sleep if there was a storm <em>IF</em> they dedicated a spell slot to it the last time they took a rest. Now in 5e tiny hut is an improved version of the much higher level force cube spell that makes an invincible bunker for a group of almost any table size plus some npcs... Except that bunker does not just protect against a storm., now it protects against toxic air, active volcanos, ancient dragons, vision & much more. It's not really even believable as a power for marvel super heroes, Gene grey/Phoenix could do some of that but only <em>SOME</em> and telekinesis/telepathy was pretty much of her entire powerset... Tiny hit is a footnote & the same munchkinize dial gets applied all over in 5e.</p><p></p><p>edit wizards & other casters used to walk around with encounter ending spells in their pocket but at the same time if you ask a wizard to scout ahead here's what you got:</p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard: holy @W$@#@$ that squirrel had huge teeth & the acorn it was eating had a lethal looking point</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">party<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />mg like a giant squirrel?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Wizard: Well the teeth were</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">party: so... like a squirrel version of a direwolf or something? did the acorn look magical</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">druid: I'll check it out</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Fighter: I'll go with him to be safe</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">dm: and with that the totally mundane squirrel is killed with a toe kick from SirBob</li> </ul><p>Now wizards aren't really concerned about being in melee with actual level appropriate monsters & cast spells all day but little of it is impressive & it's almost never back pocket ace encounter ending power levelsif things go sideways but everyone else is also uptuned in ways that ensure nobody will care even if they go sideways.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8773896, member: 93670"] I think tiny hut is the best example. Up till at least 3.x it was basically a tent the Wizard could use to rget in a good night's sleep if there was a storm [I]IF[/I] they dedicated a spell slot to it the last time they took a rest. Now in 5e tiny hut is an improved version of the much higher level force cube spell that makes an invincible bunker for a group of almost any table size plus some npcs... Except that bunker does not just protect against a storm., now it protects against toxic air, active volcanos, ancient dragons, vision & much more. It's not really even believable as a power for marvel super heroes, Gene grey/Phoenix could do some of that but only [I]SOME[/I] and telekinesis/telepathy was pretty much of her entire powerset... Tiny hit is a footnote & the same munchkinize dial gets applied all over in 5e. edit wizards & other casters used to walk around with encounter ending spells in their pocket but at the same time if you ask a wizard to scout ahead here's what you got: [LIST] [*]Wizard: holy @W$@#@$ that squirrel had huge teeth & the acorn it was eating had a lethal looking point [*]party:eek:mg like a giant squirrel? [*]Wizard: Well the teeth were [*]party: so... like a squirrel version of a direwolf or something? did the acorn look magical [*]druid: I'll check it out [*]Fighter: I'll go with him to be safe [*]... [*]dm: and with that the totally mundane squirrel is killed with a toe kick from SirBob [/LIST] Now wizards aren't really concerned about being in melee with actual level appropriate monsters & cast spells all day but little of it is impressive & it's almost never back pocket ace encounter ending power levelsif things go sideways but everyone else is also uptuned in ways that ensure nobody will care even if they go sideways. [/QUOTE]
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