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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8788544" data-attributes="member: 82504">In the DMG2 The benefit for a ritual that worked for a skill challenge (whether it worked was situational not a die roll) was one success exactly like if you made a successful skill check  (or rarely at the most  2 successes and in the RC a skill was allowed to have 2 success if it was a crit. A successful skill use was def supposed to be equivalent to a ritual which helped... unless something special made either one more valuable (ie 2 success).Note some declared we didnt need Martial Practices because by allowing benefit on those rolls for spending a HS was very close to the value and method of a skill use in a challenge already.  I am not as certain that is the case but I can see their point.Martial practices reinforced the idea that skills alone could reach ritual value as well. (and predate the DMG2 if I recall)With skill powers reinforcing the same for spells a bit later.I called it a goal .. .but technically its a guideline.</blockquote>