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<blockquote data-quote="Xamnam" data-source="post: 8796791" data-attributes="member: 7037765"><p>I'd add inherently before adversarial, but true. However, I don't know that saying Polymorph causes you to lose your agency is RAW. The only text in the spell that covers that territory is:</p><p></p><p>For me, that's enough to leave the player in control. In addition, why would it call out that the creature can't cast spells due <em>specifically </em>to the lack of hands or speech? If the idea is animal intelligence takes over, casting Fireball is not a relevant concern. </p><p></p><p>Now, if you want to argue the spell being dangerous is RAI, I have no slam dunk argument against that. The best I can offer is that Feeblemind, which sets Intelligence to 1, clarifies that:</p><p></p><p>If that's what giving you the mental statistics of a Lizard or a Crab allows for, I personally wouldn't read Polymorph as more dangerous, especially given that most creatures folks are turning into have a higher stat than that. </p><p></p><p>In my reading, I see that the first thing that polymorph mentions in regard to this aspect is the term 'game statistics', and read the intention that the changed mental statistics are to be applied as relevant to game situations: saving throws, ability checks, etc. Not personality, not memory, not choice of action. The downside of losing control is represented well enough by the new weakness to things like Command/Fear/Dominate Monster that target wisdom saves. </p><p></p><p>But, like I said, I can see your argument, and your table is your table.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Xamnam, post: 8796791, member: 7037765"] I'd add inherently before adversarial, but true. However, I don't know that saying Polymorph causes you to lose your agency is RAW. The only text in the spell that covers that territory is: For me, that's enough to leave the player in control. In addition, why would it call out that the creature can't cast spells due [I]specifically [/I]to the lack of hands or speech? If the idea is animal intelligence takes over, casting Fireball is not a relevant concern. Now, if you want to argue the spell being dangerous is RAI, I have no slam dunk argument against that. The best I can offer is that Feeblemind, which sets Intelligence to 1, clarifies that: If that's what giving you the mental statistics of a Lizard or a Crab allows for, I personally wouldn't read Polymorph as more dangerous, especially given that most creatures folks are turning into have a higher stat than that. In my reading, I see that the first thing that polymorph mentions in regard to this aspect is the term 'game statistics', and read the intention that the changed mental statistics are to be applied as relevant to game situations: saving throws, ability checks, etc. Not personality, not memory, not choice of action. The downside of losing control is represented well enough by the new weakness to things like Command/Fear/Dominate Monster that target wisdom saves. But, like I said, I can see your argument, and your table is your table. [/QUOTE]
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