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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hjorimir" data-source="post: 4015606" data-attributes="member: 5745">HPs are going up...at 1st level. Overall, without benefit of +CON items, I'm betting you'll see a decrease in HPs overall. The pit fiend is listed as an Elite monster, which means he is 2 of the 4 monsters assumed against a group of 5 characters (I think). So, you can add in another pit fiend or a couple of others as you desire.I just don't think we know nearly enough to know how tough a pit fiend really is. I do know this, though: When you insert something meant to be an iconic, memorable battle in you game, do you choose a monster that represents an EL equal to that of the group or do you put in something above them? I know that I go above them if I want to really challenge them with something memorable.</blockquote>