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<blockquote data-quote="Mad Hamish" data-source="post: 5998472" data-attributes="member: 25321">It's probably fair to say that the fighter is the king of dishing out consistent damage in Pathfinder of the melee classes (Paladin's might challenge while smiting, Ranger's might do a touch more against a favored enemy) but a fighter really needs to be either 2 weapon (including shield as a possible weapon), 2 handed weapon or archer to really pump their damage up. The impression I've gotten (and I haven't seen a Magus in play) is that they can do good burst damage but they don't have the ability to do the damage for as long as a fighter does.Normally Full Plate and max dex mod gives you +10 to AC, a breastplate and max dex mod for it gives you +9 to AC (needing 16 or 17 dex to hit that which if you're going for a dex based combatant you probably will have at 1st level)as a fighter they'll eventually go up to +14/+13 for the plate/breastplate but you'll probably be bumping dex up. The heavy armor gives better flat footed defense, the light and more dex gives better touch defence...The bigger issue is that a dex based fighter won't get * 1.5 damage from str or power attack or the additional attacks with 2 weapons to make up for it.Lighter armour for a fighter isn't a big issue, and isn't really an issue at all for a dex based fighter. The issue is power attack not boosting damage as effectively (and without the additional attacks of a 2 weapon fighter).It's an offense problem rather than a defense problem.The Magus gives you offense in other ways so it will probably be more effective as a dex based combatant (and also has the chance to learn feater fall)...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mad Hamish, post: 5998472, member: 25321"] It's probably fair to say that the fighter is the king of dishing out consistent damage in Pathfinder of the melee classes (Paladin's might challenge while smiting, Ranger's might do a touch more against a favored enemy) but a fighter really needs to be either 2 weapon (including shield as a possible weapon), 2 handed weapon or archer to really pump their damage up. The impression I've gotten (and I haven't seen a Magus in play) is that they can do good burst damage but they don't have the ability to do the damage for as long as a fighter does. Normally Full Plate and max dex mod gives you +10 to AC, a breastplate and max dex mod for it gives you +9 to AC (needing 16 or 17 dex to hit that which if you're going for a dex based combatant you probably will have at 1st level) as a fighter they'll eventually go up to +14/+13 for the plate/breastplate but you'll probably be bumping dex up. The heavy armor gives better flat footed defense, the light and more dex gives better touch defence... The bigger issue is that a dex based fighter won't get * 1.5 damage from str or power attack or the additional attacks with 2 weapons to make up for it. Lighter armour for a fighter isn't a big issue, and isn't really an issue at all for a dex based fighter. The issue is power attack not boosting damage as effectively (and without the additional attacks of a 2 weapon fighter). It's an offense problem rather than a defense problem. The Magus gives you offense in other ways so it will probably be more effective as a dex based combatant (and also has the chance to learn feater fall)... [/QUOTE]

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