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<blockquote data-quote="Mephista" data-source="post: 7145649" data-attributes="member: 6786252">No, I just disagree with your point.&nbsp; You find melee wanting.&nbsp; I don't.&nbsp; Many others agree with me.&nbsp; WotC isn't going to see the forum and suddenly &quot;course correct.&quot;&nbsp; Internet forums aren't known for being good standard of games.&nbsp; You want to have a discussion on how to handle problems that arise in your games, sure.&nbsp; That helps a lot.&nbsp; But you lose out on a lot by thinking that your view on Dex / ranged is universal and not something that's not influenced by playstyle.&nbsp; And that its the fault of the game.&nbsp; &nbsp; Ehh....&nbsp;&nbsp; I can't say I agree to any of this.&nbsp; Well, Dex does add to init.&nbsp; That is the only big advatnage it has over Strength.&nbsp; Everything else?&nbsp; Two weapons gives&nbsp; you two chances to hit, but it also givs you a chance to miss for less damage, evening out the DPR.&nbsp;&nbsp; You can't add in a feat to get Dex, you need a Fighting Style, which means you're giving up a different fighting style's boost.&nbsp; Adding DEX to ranged damage just puts it on par with STR damage from thrown weapons.&nbsp;&nbsp; The saving throw bit is actually false - another poster did an analysis of monsters in the MM, and turns out that, if you count all the various Dragons as one monster instead of 10, there are actually more Stregnth saving throws than Dexterity ones.&nbsp;&nbsp; The big Dex skills are Stealth and Acrobatics, compared to Athletics, quite likely Intimidate, and shoving/grappling; the difference in value here is entirely game dependant.&nbsp; The two are roughly on par, with enough variation that it depends on the game.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mephista, post: 7145649, member: 6786252"] No, I just disagree with your point. You find melee wanting. I don't. Many others agree with me. WotC isn't going to see the forum and suddenly "course correct." Internet forums aren't known for being good standard of games. You want to have a discussion on how to handle problems that arise in your games, sure. That helps a lot. But you lose out on a lot by thinking that your view on Dex / ranged is universal and not something that's not influenced by playstyle. And that its the fault of the game. Ehh.... I can't say I agree to any of this. Well, Dex does add to init. That is the only big advatnage it has over Strength. Everything else? Two weapons gives you two chances to hit, but it also givs you a chance to miss for less damage, evening out the DPR. You can't add in a feat to get Dex, you need a Fighting Style, which means you're giving up a different fighting style's boost. Adding DEX to ranged damage just puts it on par with STR damage from thrown weapons. The saving throw bit is actually false - another poster did an analysis of monsters in the MM, and turns out that, if you count all the various Dragons as one monster instead of 10, there are actually more Stregnth saving throws than Dexterity ones. The big Dex skills are Stealth and Acrobatics, compared to Athletics, quite likely Intimidate, and shoving/grappling; the difference in value here is entirely game dependant. The two are roughly on par, with enough variation that it depends on the game. [/QUOTE]

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