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<blockquote data-quote="Gradine" data-source="post: 7146562" data-attributes="member: 57112">This was not really a thread that needed to be necro'd, was it? More badwrongfunning about game balance and dismissing the idea that people will play the characters they want to play regardless of a potential minor decrease in efficacy. &quot;How dare game developers ignore perfect balance in their game system!&quot; &quot;Melee is a trap option exclusively for suckers!&quot;What I'm reading are a lot of posts by people whose personal playstyle heavily emphasizes gameplay (and specifically combat) mechanics and character balance who have identified an actual, honest-to-god issue with the game balance as design (you really can't refuse to acknowledge it exists, it clearly does, though I'm not convinced it's as... pronounced as some here have proclaimed) and who have shared their personal fixes to the problem... and that's awesome. Seriously, it's great. Again, I don't really see it as a problem worth fixing myself, but that has a lot to do with the way my friends and I play the game. I've DMed melee PCs and ranged PCs, often at the same time no less, and nobody felt like their character was inefficient or not pulling their weight. I've also DMed (and played myself) characters that were purposefully underdeveloped in the combat pillar and instead emphasized the other pillars. There's not really anything wrong with that either. D&amp;D may not be all things to all people but it is still a lot of things to a lot of people.On the other hand, some of these blame justifications are just completely asinine, and in some cases genuinely offensive (&quot;if only it weren't for those... girl gamers!!! &lt;shakes fist&gt;&quot;???). Also bonus points for using the phrase &quot;special snowflakes&quot; as a pejorative without a single trace of irony. There's literally no point to such speculation (and that's all it is, baseless speculation) other than to purposefully upset and annoy others. It's divisive at best and edition warring at worst (try mentioning MMORPGs around a 4e fan to see how this kind of nonsense played out the last time).I think it's possible to have a conversation (and even a disagreement) about game mechanics without blaming an entire group of people for ruining &lt;insert edition here&gt;. It's just unnecessary.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gradine, post: 7146562, member: 57112"] This was not really a thread that needed to be necro'd, was it? More badwrongfunning about game balance and dismissing the idea that people will play the characters they want to play regardless of a potential minor decrease in efficacy. "How dare game developers ignore perfect balance in their game system!" "Melee is a trap option exclusively for suckers!" What I'm reading are a lot of posts by people whose personal playstyle heavily emphasizes gameplay (and specifically combat) mechanics and character balance who have identified an actual, honest-to-god issue with the game balance as design (you really can't refuse to acknowledge it exists, it clearly does, though I'm not convinced it's as... pronounced as some here have proclaimed) and who have shared their personal fixes to the problem... and that's awesome. Seriously, it's great. Again, I don't really see it as a problem worth fixing [I]myself[/I], but that has a lot to do with the way my friends and I play the game. I've DMed melee PCs and ranged PCs, often [I]at the same time[/I] no less, and nobody felt like their character was inefficient or not pulling their weight. I've also DMed (and played myself) characters that were purposefully underdeveloped in the combat pillar and instead emphasized the other pillars. There's not really anything wrong with that either. D&D may not be all things to all people but it is still a lot of things to a lot of people. On the other hand, some of these blame justifications are just completely asinine, and in some cases genuinely offensive ("if only it weren't for those... [I]girl gamers!!![/I] <shakes fist>"???). Also bonus points for using the phrase "special snowflakes" as a pejorative without a single trace of irony. There's literally no point to such speculation (and that's all it is, baseless speculation) other than to purposefully upset and annoy others. It's divisive at best and edition warring at worst (try mentioning MMORPGs around a 4e fan to see how this kind of nonsense played out the last time). I think it's possible to have a conversation (and even a disagreement) about game mechanics without blaming an entire group of people for ruining <insert edition here>. It's just unnecessary. [/QUOTE]

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