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<blockquote data-quote="NoWayJose" data-source="post: 5264025" data-attributes="member: 84810">Pemerton, ooh, two wonderful examples, I love them.&nbsp;I think it's totally and absolutely believable that humans would be racist towards orcs in-game. In fact, if humans were politically correct towards orcs, I would find it completely unbelievable and upsetting (assuming that orcs are usually antagonistic, unlike Eberron's orcs if I understood it correctly). If the players thought that correct roleplaying included lynching of orcs and other Klu-Klux-like behavior, well, that's a loaded debate beyond the scope of this thread.&nbsp;Another big topic. I hated the belief conceit in Planescape. I mean, the idea was cool, but it was never carried through in any meaningful way.&nbsp;It's like the Holodeck in Star Trek. You had this awesome technology, and it was only used for the occasional play-acting. How about Holodeck porn, Holodeck escapism, Holodeck addiction, Holodeck simulation for R&amp;D, etc. Sure, there was one episode of a guy who was addicted to the Holodeck. But, for everyone else, the Holodeck was of little significance. And that's unbelievable. I don't care so much how the Holodeck is scientifically possible, but I do care if characters act towards the Holodeck in a way that I think is plausible.&nbsp;Same with the belief trope in Planescape. It was there as a vague concept, it was supposed to be really important, but it never had a systemic significance for PCs. (That's what you were referring to, right?)&nbsp;I think the above is the kind of failure of imagination (and/or caring and/or time and effort) that leads to unbelievability in fantasy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NoWayJose, post: 5264025, member: 84810"] Pemerton, ooh, two wonderful examples, I love them. I think it's totally and absolutely believable that humans would be racist towards orcs in-game. In fact, if humans were politically correct towards orcs, I would find it completely unbelievable and upsetting (assuming that orcs are usually antagonistic, unlike Eberron's orcs if I understood it correctly). If the players thought that correct roleplaying included lynching of orcs and other Klu-Klux-like behavior, well, that's a loaded debate beyond the scope of this thread. Another big topic. I hated the belief conceit in Planescape. I mean, the idea was cool, but it was never carried through in any meaningful way. It's like the Holodeck in Star Trek. You had this awesome technology, and it was only used for the occasional play-acting. How about Holodeck porn, Holodeck escapism, Holodeck addiction, Holodeck simulation for R&D, etc. Sure, there was one episode of a guy who was addicted to the Holodeck. But, for everyone else, the Holodeck was of little significance. And that's unbelievable. I don't care so much how the Holodeck is scientifically possible, but I do care if characters act towards the Holodeck in a way that I think is plausible. Same with the belief trope in Planescape. It was there as a vague concept, it was supposed to be really important, but it never had a systemic significance for PCs. (That's what you were referring to, right?) I think the above is the kind of failure of imagination (and/or caring and/or time and effort) that leads to unbelievability in fantasy. [/QUOTE]

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