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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 4786203" data-attributes="member: 11697">There's no such thing as the DM "winning" in any campaign of mine, because I don't see the game as an adversarial competition between DM and players.That said, I -adore- when my players surprise the heck out of me, and just blindside me with some awesome, unexpected idea or course of action. They're done it multiple times.Among other things they've surprised me by:1) Releasing the archdevil Zariel from beneath Bel's Citadel of Bronze on Avernus, using a combination of an artifact and some epic magic that I'd never considered for the task, which worked too well and was too out of the blue to do anything but let them.2) Semi-accidental suicide that ended up destroying FR's arn rock in the lake of salt, and an avatar of Garyx in the process.3) Releasing an imprisoned Molydeus because he promised that he'd help them navigate a planar maze they were locked inside of, and really pinky swear his binding circle compelled him to be honest about that sort of thing. Really. Honestly. Would a tanar'ri lie?4) Turning a yugoloth lord of stone while she was astrally projecting and using a surrogate body spawned via color pool hopping in the Astral. End result was a statue and a catatonic archfiend back in Carceri with no way to end her spell and thus her effective imprisonment.5) Suckpunching an archfiend while inside a dead magic zone</blockquote>