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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Charlaquin" data-source="post: 8154388" data-attributes="member: 6779196">If your whole argument is that the DM isn’t a capital-P Player (as in, the player role in the game of Dungeons and Dragons referred to as “player”), you don’t need to bring up your play preferences to defend that position. The DM isn’t a capital-P Player because they’re a DM. Those are two different player roles. It doesn’t matter what your play preferences is are, the two different player roles have different names. Also, literally no one is arguing that the DM is a capital-P Player.Obviously. You can have fun doing all sorts of things. I never claimed otherwise.Certainly it can be. So could being a Player. All of those things (well, except paid labor I guess) are forms of engagement, which we generally shorthand to “fun”.“The DM should have fun because they are a player” isn’t my argument. In fact it’s a complete inversion of my argument, which is that the DM should be considered a player, (not a Player - that’s a different player role than DM) because they’re there to have fun too. Or, if you want to get pedantic about my use of the word “fun,” they are seeking some form of engagement from the game.No one is, and the two things are only getting confused because one side of this argument is stubbornly refusing to accept that the DM is ipso facto a player (not a Player, that’s a different player role than DM). If we can just accept the premise of the original argument - that the DM is a player (not a Player, that’s a different player role than DM) in the game of Dungeons and Dragons, we can finally get on to the actual point of contention; namely whether or not the DM being a player (not a Player, that’s a different player role than DM) in the game of Dungeons and Dragons means that the other players (namely, the Players) ought to have a say in the worldbuilding process. For the record, my position is that it doesn’t.</blockquote>

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