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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 8154519" data-attributes="member: 5142">The language here of "other player" also still suggests that the GM is still a player. You may prefer a distinction that denies the GM as a player, which may reflect viewpoints of older editions of GM as impartial referee, but I think the current trend is increasingly viewing the GM is a type of player who engages in the play of this game. See what? You make the same mistake of a false comparison to a sports referee that multiple prior people have already discussed? Sure. I saw what you did there. If one player plays the singular role of Dracula in the board game "Dracula" while the other participants play vampire hunters, does this mean that the Dracula player is not a player? I think that D&D does not use "player" in a specific sense, but, rather, as metonymic shorthand for "player character players." It's fantastic double-speak to claim that this thread is not about quibbling over semantics while quibbling over semantics and playing word games. I'm fine if it is a debate about semantics, but at least be honest that this is what you are doing and which [USER=177]@Umbran[/USER] rightfully called you out on. Contextually and categorically, you are still evidently wrong as per the actual citations of the D&D rulebooks themselves, but you are still free to toot your own horn and pretend that you aren't a player.</blockquote>