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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8853018" data-attributes="member: 86653">Okay. Just for giggles, here goes...lethality of AD&D vs 5E.How many hit points at 1st level? AD&D: rolled and magic-users get 1d4. 5E: max and wizards get 1d6.What happens at zero hp? AD&D: death*. 5E: your options are death in 2-3 rounds, you stand up with 1 hp, or you stay unconscious until someone heals you.How much healing can a 1st level party expect? AD&D: one cure light wounds, if the cleric memorized it. 5E: two of cure wounds or healing word, if the cleric prepared it...plus medicine checks, healer feat, and healing kit.What's the best AC you could start with? AD&D: if you got lucky and rolled high for starting gold...splint & shield, AC 17**. 5E: several classes automatically start with chain mail & shield, AC 18.What happens when you rest for 8 hours? AD&D: regain all spells slots, but magic-users and illusionists spend 15 minutes per spell level to memorize; regain 1 hp. 5E: regain all hp, all spell slots, and up to 1/2 hit dice.Who picks the PCs' spells? AD&D: the DM. 5E: the player.What level do you have to be to cast raise dead? AD&D: 9th and only if you have at least 17 WIS. 5E: 5th.What are the material components to a raise dead spell? AD&D: none. 5E: a diamond worth 500 gp.What are the best basic melee and ranged attacks? AD&D: melee is a two-handed sword or halberd for 1d10; ranged is an arrow for 1d6 (cost 1 gp for a dozen). 5E: melee is greataxe or lance for 1d12 or greatsword or maul for 2d6; ranged is eldritch blast for 1d10 and infinite ammo.What are your ability score bonuses like? LOL.What are goblins like? AD&D: 1-7 hp, 1d6 damage, AC 14**, number appearing 40-400. 5E: 7 hp, 5 damage, AC 15, number appearing 3...a medium encounter for a 1st-level party is 3 goblins.* An optional rule gives PCs up to -10 hp before death.** AC is weird in TSR D&D compared to WotC D&D. I did the easy math and am intentionally presenting them on the same modern ascending scale to avoid confusion.In literally every single one of those categories the rules for AD&D are far deadlier and more challenging that in 5E. There's a lot more. I just got bored so stopped.The one exception might be the material cost of a raise dead spell, if you ignore that it's not available until nearly twice the level and only to clerics with a 17 WIS...which you have a 1.85% chance of rolling.So you don't see the rules as being different and causing one to be more deadly? Okay. Then you must be house ruling the lethality out of AD&D and house ruling lethality into 5E.</blockquote>

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