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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8854257" data-attributes="member: 93670">The prep is less enjoyable too.&nbsp; I didn't play 2e very long but played/ran 3.x &amp; pf for years &amp; years.&nbsp; I might have spent a lot of time building a badass bbeg for the party to stomp in minutes &amp; 1-2+hours per hour of expected play building &amp; describing dungeons to fit that NPC... but doing that mattered to how the session played out &amp; the players cared about it because it mattered to their survival when I wanted it to.&nbsp; In 5e I don't spend all that much less time (I'd guess just as much if not more) but the players are just in&nbsp; &quot;meh whatever..36..&quot; mode.&nbsp; Another big dofference is that players needed to eke out any edge they could &amp; were excited to engage with or even build things* in the world that might give them an edge. I almost need to pull teeth to get anything out of them now &amp; there's nothing I can give them that they need.*Political relationships, cities, etc.&nbsp; Patrons were a (less defined) thing in 3.5 eberron but way more important to players to the degree that I had trouble getting 5e players to even read the patrons section in rising &amp; didn't really have anything they could offer to the ones who did.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8854257, member: 93670"] The prep is less enjoyable too. I didn't play 2e very long but played/ran 3.x & pf for years & years. I might have spent a lot of time building a badass bbeg for the party to stomp in minutes & 1-2+hours per hour of expected play building & describing dungeons to fit that NPC... but doing that mattered to how the session played out & the players cared about it because it mattered to their survival when I wanted it to. In 5e I don't spend all that much less time (I'd guess just as much if not more) but the players are just in "meh whatever..36.." mode. Another big dofference is that players needed to eke out any edge they could & were excited to engage with or even build things* in the world that might give them an edge. I almost need to pull teeth to get anything out of them now & there's nothing I can give them that they need. *Political relationships, cities, etc. Patrons were a (less defined) thing in 3.5 eberron but way more important to players to the degree that I had trouble getting 5e players to even read the patrons section in rising & didn't really have anything they could offer to the ones who did. [/QUOTE]

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