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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8859119" data-attributes="member: 93670">Yea I like both trad & story games but they are each pretty distinct things that tend to require a mindset & playstyle with elements that are almost if not outright toxic to the other.  The trouble with OC/Neotrad is that he's right about them developing within play constraints where player agency was basically zero (ie AL) & forum based play by post where  everyone involves can trivially ignore anything & continue on with no real expectation of anything.  In a more traditional face to face (or online equivalent like voip) that starts breaking down.  The deemphasized depowered GM didn't matter because the organizers were running this particular module or whatever this week  & the players were playing it ir they were playing something else.  Whenever "The Modern Style" comes up though it seems to amount to "take neotrad PC players, keep the gm power the same, put those PCs & players in a more traditional game where they aren't limited to 'but guys the adventure is lmop(or whatever), you can't go to waterdeep to be pirates because Mary wrote how she wants to topple the pirate who killed the rest of the Sue family' & is just expected to run it while still being bound by all the adversarial & killergm type things a GM should avoid...</blockquote>