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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 8861216" data-attributes="member: 4937">Not really.&nbsp; No.&nbsp; I just don't want to argue with you over it.&nbsp; Suffice to say that depending on how you played it, 1e AD&amp;D could be the least threatening and least challenging edition of the game out of the box.&nbsp; Among other things, no other edition allowed characters to eventually have significantly more hit points than any non-unique foe in the game nor did any other edition feature rules for advancing characters to any level while publishing monsters that were functionally level capped as challenges for tenth level characters.&nbsp;&nbsp; The reality of this can be seen in how much published adventures for high level characters had to push the game rules and game norms out of the way in order to provide variant experiences or variant foes.&nbsp; Past 12th level or so, DMs were really on their own in terms of generating challenge and threat sufficient to challenge a large well-equipped PC party, and how that was done (since the rules were pretty silent on it) varied significantly from table to table.&nbsp; But in particular, some tables DID NOT and the lack of challenge and lack of threat was in fact the attraction at that table.I'm sure you are going to argue with that, and feel free, but that's my experience.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 8861216, member: 4937"] Not really. No. I just don't want to argue with you over it. Suffice to say that depending on how you played it, 1e AD&D could be the least threatening and least challenging edition of the game out of the box. Among other things, no other edition allowed characters to eventually have significantly more hit points than any non-unique foe in the game nor did any other edition feature rules for advancing characters to any level while publishing monsters that were functionally level capped as challenges for tenth level characters. The reality of this can be seen in how much published adventures for high level characters had to push the game rules and game norms out of the way in order to provide variant experiences or variant foes. Past 12th level or so, DMs were really on their own in terms of generating challenge and threat sufficient to challenge a large well-equipped PC party, and how that was done (since the rules were pretty silent on it) varied significantly from table to table. But in particular, some tables DID NOT and the lack of challenge and lack of threat was in fact the attraction at that table. I'm sure you are going to argue with that, and feel free, but that's my experience. [/QUOTE]

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