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<blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 8876827" data-attributes="member: 6796661"><p>Well, only about 7% of CR 9 and above monsters are demons, so hardly "just abysmal." </p><p></p><p><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":-)" title="Smile :-)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":-)" /> I jest. I jest. Please no comments on the amount of effort I'll take to make a bad pun. </p><p></p><p>WotC has published 655 monsters CR 9 and above. So, that's really not terrible. I'm not sure that I would make the cut off at CR9, though, since CR9 is not exactly high-level. </p><p></p><p>From CR 15 to 30, which is half of the CR levels, there are 259 monsters, out of a total of 2,592 monsters. So half of the CR levels only account for about 10% of the monsters, which isn't surprising given that based on the adventures, WotC doesn't seem to expect many people to play much in the 3rd and 4th tiers. </p><p></p><p>It would really be nice to have a Monster Manual II with CR 15 and above monsters. But if their research is showing few people play higher levels, I doubt they would make a book entirely dedicated to high-level monsters. The best I can hope for is a Level 15-20 adventure or a Yawning Portal type book with high-level adventures. </p><p></p><p>If you are interested, the number of CR9 and above monsters in all WotC 5e publications available in D&D Beyond are listed below. There is going to be some duplication because I didn't filter out "legacy" sources. I don't see anyway to do so in D&D Beyond. So these numbers are not useful as a count of the total number of unique monsters, but are useful to get an idea of the relative number of higher CR monsters by type. I didn't realize, for example, that there is only on Beast above CR8. And that's misleading because this CR12 beast is a polymorphed spellcaster. I don't want to say more because it is a spoiler to one of the adventures. </p><p></p><p>Also, one could argue that I should filter on "core D&D" or not include any adventures, or just limit to the monster manual. But in D&D Beyond you can see all monsters for all sources you have access to. So the "Monsters" section of the Game Rules in D&D Beyond is my default Monster Manual. </p><p></p><p>51 Abominations</p><p>1 Beasts</p><p>18 Celestials</p><p>41 Constructs</p><p>90 Dragons</p><p>25 Elementals</p><p>14 Fey</p><p>116 Fiends (44 Devils, 45 Demons, 13 Yugoloths, 14 no subtype)</p><p>49 Giants</p><p>109 Humanoids</p><p>62 Monstrosities</p><p>3 Oozes</p><p>4 Plants</p><p>72 Undead</p><p>655 total</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MNblockhead, post: 8876827, member: 6796661"] Well, only about 7% of CR 9 and above monsters are demons, so hardly "just abysmal." :-) I jest. I jest. Please no comments on the amount of effort I'll take to make a bad pun. WotC has published 655 monsters CR 9 and above. So, that's really not terrible. I'm not sure that I would make the cut off at CR9, though, since CR9 is not exactly high-level. From CR 15 to 30, which is half of the CR levels, there are 259 monsters, out of a total of 2,592 monsters. So half of the CR levels only account for about 10% of the monsters, which isn't surprising given that based on the adventures, WotC doesn't seem to expect many people to play much in the 3rd and 4th tiers. It would really be nice to have a Monster Manual II with CR 15 and above monsters. But if their research is showing few people play higher levels, I doubt they would make a book entirely dedicated to high-level monsters. The best I can hope for is a Level 15-20 adventure or a Yawning Portal type book with high-level adventures. If you are interested, the number of CR9 and above monsters in all WotC 5e publications available in D&D Beyond are listed below. There is going to be some duplication because I didn't filter out "legacy" sources. I don't see anyway to do so in D&D Beyond. So these numbers are not useful as a count of the total number of unique monsters, but are useful to get an idea of the relative number of higher CR monsters by type. I didn't realize, for example, that there is only on Beast above CR8. And that's misleading because this CR12 beast is a polymorphed spellcaster. I don't want to say more because it is a spoiler to one of the adventures. Also, one could argue that I should filter on "core D&D" or not include any adventures, or just limit to the monster manual. But in D&D Beyond you can see all monsters for all sources you have access to. So the "Monsters" section of the Game Rules in D&D Beyond is my default Monster Manual. 51 Abominations 1 Beasts 18 Celestials 41 Constructs 90 Dragons 25 Elementals 14 Fey 116 Fiends (44 Devils, 45 Demons, 13 Yugoloths, 14 no subtype) 49 Giants 109 Humanoids 62 Monstrosities 3 Oozes 4 Plants 72 Undead 655 total [/QUOTE]
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