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<blockquote data-quote="Faolyn" data-source="post: 8281265" data-attributes="member: 6915329"><p>True... if you run them directly as that statblock says. Remember, the book says they have statblocks <em>like </em>spies or <em>like </em>nobles, not that they use that statblock exactly--and even then, you can change them. </p><p></p><p>So it's perfectly reasonable to say that Darklords can't be charmed or put to sleep magically or stuff like that. Or attempts to charm a Darklord bounce back on the caster, or cause psychic damage as the PCs open their mind to the alien evils of the Dark Power.</p><p></p><p>But even if you decide that no, Ivana has the spy statblock, no changes... that's OK. The PCs put her to sleep and slit her throat or get information out of her... well, they've now marked themselves as a target for every single one of her minions (who might be instantly aware that she's been affected in such a manner). <em>And </em>she's immortal, so she could come back the very next day. (And in Ivana's case, this would be a good way to get the attention of <em>Ivan</em>, who might just welcome the PCs into his playhouse.)</p><p></p><p>OK, sure, it would have been very nice if there was a section that read "Darklords can't be charmed or put to sleep magically, and are immune to the frightened condition unless it's directly related to their Torments." </p><p></p><p>But the lack of high power for the Darklords not new to this edition. Ivana was a 0th-level Human with 8 hp in 2e with no particular immunities, not even to poison (although she could always detect poison anyway, so it basically impossible to poison her). In 3e, she finally <em>was </em>immune to poison, and she was fairly high level: Aristocrat 3, Expert 4, and book-specific prestige class Court Poisoner 5, but even though she had a lot more hit points (115 hp), she would still be killed almost instantly in battle since relies entirely on close-ranged attacks (one of which is, admittedly, quite powerful) and doesn't wear armor.</p><p></p><p>Honestly, the only weirdness I find in the statblocks is that (A) they didn't say "If you own VGM, you can use <em>this </em>statblock from that book instead" Because let's face it, Vladeska should've been a warlord. And (B) in 2e, Hazlik was a 12th-level wizard but uses the Archmage statblock, while Tsien Cheng was a 20th-level wizard but only uses the Mage statblock.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Faolyn, post: 8281265, member: 6915329"] True... if you run them directly as that statblock says. Remember, the book says they have statblocks [I]like [/I]spies or [I]like [/I]nobles, not that they use that statblock exactly--and even then, you can change them. So it's perfectly reasonable to say that Darklords can't be charmed or put to sleep magically or stuff like that. Or attempts to charm a Darklord bounce back on the caster, or cause psychic damage as the PCs open their mind to the alien evils of the Dark Power. But even if you decide that no, Ivana has the spy statblock, no changes... that's OK. The PCs put her to sleep and slit her throat or get information out of her... well, they've now marked themselves as a target for every single one of her minions (who might be instantly aware that she's been affected in such a manner). [I]And [/I]she's immortal, so she could come back the very next day. (And in Ivana's case, this would be a good way to get the attention of [I]Ivan[/I], who might just welcome the PCs into his playhouse.) OK, sure, it would have been very nice if there was a section that read "Darklords can't be charmed or put to sleep magically, and are immune to the frightened condition unless it's directly related to their Torments." But the lack of high power for the Darklords not new to this edition. Ivana was a 0th-level Human with 8 hp in 2e with no particular immunities, not even to poison (although she could always detect poison anyway, so it basically impossible to poison her). In 3e, she finally [I]was [/I]immune to poison, and she was fairly high level: Aristocrat 3, Expert 4, and book-specific prestige class Court Poisoner 5, but even though she had a lot more hit points (115 hp), she would still be killed almost instantly in battle since relies entirely on close-ranged attacks (one of which is, admittedly, quite powerful) and doesn't wear armor. Honestly, the only weirdness I find in the statblocks is that (A) they didn't say "If you own VGM, you can use [I]this [/I]statblock from that book instead" Because let's face it, Vladeska should've been a warlord. And (B) in 2e, Hazlik was a 12th-level wizard but uses the Archmage statblock, while Tsien Cheng was a 20th-level wizard but only uses the Mage statblock. [/QUOTE]
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