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<blockquote data-quote="WarlockLord" data-source="post: 5960046" data-attributes="member: 40098">But none of these are actually that epic.&nbsp; I mean, a mid-level 3e character could do these.&nbsp; The warlord is essentially giving using White Raven Tactics on someone who can do something, which is nice, but then why do you need a warlord?&nbsp; I agree with you that these should all be options, but none of them are high-level enough abilities to compare to a 3.X caster or balor.&nbsp; I mean, I HATE 3.X.s imbalance.&nbsp; Any game system that pretends that a certain character is viable with others only for it to not be true has failed the player.&nbsp; These aren't necessarily bad examples...but again, not close to what a high-level caster is capable of conceptually.&nbsp; We haven't even gotten into high-level 3.X battles where people are fighting <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm" target="_blank">demon wizards who can fly, teleport anywhere at will, telekinetically lock you down, control your mind, and destroy your magic.</a>.&nbsp; (Scroll down to the balor).&nbsp; Skill mastery or having a bear are not going to get you close enough to hurt this guy.&nbsp; And all of these guys, as currently written, have trouble dealing with flying enemies, which is a staple of the fantasy genre.Meanwhile the cleric and the wizard are in that cloud chariot flying through the feywild to pick up hawt eladrin chicks for their party in the magnificent mansion.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WarlockLord, post: 5960046, member: 40098"] But none of these are actually that epic. I mean, a mid-level 3e character could do these. The warlord is essentially giving using White Raven Tactics on someone who can do something, which is nice, but then why do you need a warlord? I agree with you that these should all be options, but none of them are high-level enough abilities to compare to a 3.X caster or balor. I mean, I HATE 3.X.s imbalance. Any game system that pretends that a certain character is viable with others only for it to not be true has failed the player. These aren't necessarily bad examples...but again, not close to what a high-level caster is capable of conceptually. We haven't even gotten into high-level 3.X battles where people are fighting [url=http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm]demon wizards who can fly, teleport anywhere at will, telekinetically lock you down, control your mind, and destroy your magic.[/url]. (Scroll down to the balor). Skill mastery or having a bear are not going to get you close enough to hurt this guy. And all of these guys, as currently written, have trouble dealing with flying enemies, which is a staple of the fantasy genre. Meanwhile the cleric and the wizard are in that cloud chariot flying through the feywild to pick up hawt eladrin chicks for their party in the magnificent mansion. [/QUOTE]

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