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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5960164" data-attributes="member: 42582">I still don't know where you are getting this from. There is no page in the PHB or DMG for 4e that says epic level PCs must break through doors, or climb walls.But if they do break through doors, they'll probably be the gates of Hell. If they do climb walls, they'll probably be the Pillars of Creation (in The Plane Below). And I don't see how that's a problem, or in any way genre breaking. Likewise melee combat: Thor and Hercules fought plenty of melee combats.I guess I don't really get your notion of &quot;entire set of challenges&quot; - if that is specified in genre terms, than 4e tells an entire set of challenges to go away - hobgoblins won't trouble epic PCs, for example - but if you are defining this functionally, then I don't see why it should be the case. Why shouldn't the gates of Hell be hard for even demigods to make their way through?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5960164, member: 42582"] I still don't know where you are getting this from. There is no page in the PHB or DMG for 4e that says epic level PCs must break through doors, or climb walls. But if they do break through doors, they'll probably be the gates of Hell. If they do climb walls, they'll probably be the Pillars of Creation (in The Plane Below). And I don't see how that's a problem, or in any way genre breaking. Likewise melee combat: Thor and Hercules fought plenty of melee combats. I guess I don't really get your notion of "entire set of challenges" - if that is specified in genre terms, than 4e tells an entire set of challenges to go away - hobgoblins won't trouble epic PCs, for example - but if you are defining this functionally, then I don't see why it should be the case. Why shouldn't the gates of Hell be hard for even demigods to make their way through? [/QUOTE]

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