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<blockquote data-quote="Harlekin" data-source="post: 5961444" data-attributes="member: 18615">You misunderstand the skill system of 4ed. If the wall encountered by the PCs can easily be flown over, smashed of phased through, it is not a meaningful challenge for epic level PCs and thus should not require any kind of check. A wall that is a challenge for such characters may be the wall of a fortress from the dawn war that has been around forever and is protected by immortal magic. Such a wall cannot be passed simple magic, otherwise it would have been razed aeons ago. In 3.5 such a wall would have antimagic, DR 25 and whatnot and thus would require more than just casting the right spell.Obviously, such walls need to be extremely rare, but if they exist 4ed tells you what you need to roll to climb them.I think this post clearly shows what [MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION] described in an other thread. Some players don't want to look under the hood and see how DCs are calculated, even if exactly the same calculations were in previous editions; they just weren't made explicit.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Harlekin, post: 5961444, member: 18615"] You misunderstand the skill system of 4ed. If the wall encountered by the PCs can easily be flown over, smashed of phased through, it is not a meaningful challenge for epic level PCs and thus should not require any kind of check. A wall that is a challenge for such characters may be the wall of a fortress from the dawn war that has been around forever and is protected by immortal magic. Such a wall cannot be passed simple magic, otherwise it would have been razed aeons ago. In 3.5 such a wall would have antimagic, DR 25 and whatnot and thus would require more than just casting the right spell. Obviously, such walls need to be extremely rare, but if they exist 4ed tells you what you need to roll to climb them. I think this post clearly shows what [MENTION=54877]Crazy Jerome[/MENTION] described in an other thread. Some players don't want to look under the hood and see how DCs are calculated, even if exactly the same calculations were in previous editions; they just weren't made explicit. [/QUOTE]

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