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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zustiur" data-source="post: 5963365" data-attributes="member: 1544">Because the wizard can't use it. Besides, hammer of disintegration was supposed to be an over-the-top example. Call it a longsword +5 if you find that easier.Why? That depends on how you want the story to work doesn't it? For me, fighters are non-magical men who do what they do very well. They might gain magical allies, and magical equipment, but they're still mundane at the core. Take away the allies and the equipment, why on earth should they be able to do anything beyond the mundane? He's a MAN. He hasn't ascended, he hasn't become an outsider, he can't cast spells. Why should he be capable of something that is impossible in the real world? Fair enough. I like the Vancian concept more than I like the exact numbers involved. Which is precisely why I'm considering a system where you lose low level slots as you gain high level slots. You can always chose to memorize a low level spell in a higher level slot, but your total number of spells is going to be reduced.I wasn't assuming any given edition's mechanics. I was talking about the kind of stories I want to be able to tell. Imagine a system where spell casting still works on the Vancian paradigm, but the wizard never has more than 20 spells in total. Would you still think it impossible for him to run out? And even if he didn't actually run out, would he necessarily have the spell he requires on hand?We've never considered hirelings, so I'll concede that point. Regarding the hit points, my 'three times' came from the fighter being more likely to have a constitution bonus. 9*d4 = 22.5   9*d10+1 = 58.5, or close to 3 times as much.Let's take my example a few steps further. Traditional party of 41 Fighter1 Thief1 Wizard1 ClericThey've been adventuring long enough to be 'down on resources' but not completely out. They have 1/4 HP, and about 1/4 of their spells available. The monsters have trapped them and taken them prisoner rather than kill them at this particular moment. All equipment has been removed. Each character is locked in a separate prison cell.Assuming an edition without the imbalance between classes and where it is feasibly possible to run out of spells.What would each of the characters do to escape at low level?What would each of the characters do to escape at high level?If you give a different answer to those two questions, then tell me WHY it should be different.For my own part, I want the fighter's actions to remain the same. The rogues actions to remain the same. The wizards actions go to from 'I basically can't escape' to 'I can escape, but I'm going to have to find the others very quickly'. The cleric meanwhile should probably find it hard to escape, but at least be safe in the knowledge that he's got more HP remaining (by using up his remaining spells on healing).*side note; If a wizard has no equipment, he can't memorize new spells, so resting isn't going to help much. The cleric should be faced with a similar problem in theory, but no edition so far imposes that. I'd like to hear ideas on how and why a cleric might face the same sort of problem.</blockquote>

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