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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 5967405" data-attributes="member: 996">This is really a very simple question with a very simple answer:&nbsp; As a PC class, a fighter should be viable along side other classes of the same level, and able to contribute meaningfully to the party's success in whatever sorts of challenges the DM decides to put in the party's way.Of course, that's the same answer as for all classes.&nbsp; The only question is how do you get the fighter there given the concept.&nbsp; And that gets back to the 'what is a fighter' question - but, it gives you a helpful parameter for answering that question:&nbsp; if it can't result in a viable PC, it's not an acceptable answer.Is that a 'gamist' reason?&nbsp; Well, sure, in the sense that D&amp;D is a game, and games need to be reasonably fair and engaging to all players.&nbsp; And there's the double standard, again.&nbsp; You accept the wizard as a character in a fantasy world, a world not subject to the 'realistic' laws of our world, yet you refuse to accept that the fighter is in the same world, and also subject to the same laws as the wizard, not the laws of our world.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 5967405, member: 996"] This is really a very simple question with a very simple answer: As a PC class, a fighter should be viable along side other classes of the same level, and able to contribute meaningfully to the party's success in whatever sorts of challenges the DM decides to put in the party's way. Of course, that's the same answer as for all classes. The only question is how do you get the fighter there given the concept. And that gets back to the 'what is a fighter' question - but, it gives you a helpful parameter for answering that question: if it can't result in a viable PC, it's not an acceptable answer. Is that a 'gamist' reason? Well, sure, in the sense that D&D [i]is a game[/i], and games need to be reasonably fair and engaging to all players. And there's the double standard, again. You accept the wizard as a character in a fantasy world, a world not subject to the 'realistic' laws of our world, yet you refuse to accept that the fighter is in the same world, and also subject to the same laws as the wizard, not the laws of our world. [/QUOTE]

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