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<blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 5968932" data-attributes="member: 87792">I'd argue that the boundaries were too blurred in 1e - and only got worse.&nbsp;And defining things the way you do there is fundamentally bad meta-design.&nbsp; The reason this is the case is that for it to work, every single person who designs a spell in that system must then be a good designer or they either break the incredibly softly defined bounds or end up with a waste of a spell.&nbsp;Design that relies on everyone in future doing things right is bad design.&nbsp;&nbsp;The thief has two words: Plausible Deniability.&nbsp; And being plausible is part of a thief's job description.&nbsp; Fighters aren't subtle.But the fighter needs the wahoo powers I'm proposing in order to beat actual threats into the ground.&nbsp; Because as things stand, even in 1e, the serious threats cast spells.&nbsp; And the fighter needs to be able to deal with that.&nbsp; D&amp;D spells are so wahoo that either you level cap everyone (which Gygax effectively did at 9th/10th by giving them castles or towers) or you end up with the fighter being useless on his own merits (which Gygax admitted was a problem).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Neonchameleon, post: 5968932, member: 87792"] I'd argue that the boundaries were too blurred in 1e - and only got worse. And defining things the way you do there is fundamentally bad meta-design. The reason this is the case is that for it to work, every single person who designs a spell in that system must then be a good designer or they either break the incredibly softly defined bounds or end up with a waste of a spell. Design that relies on everyone in future doing things right is bad design. The thief has two words: Plausible Deniability. And being plausible is part of a thief's job description. Fighters aren't subtle. But the fighter needs the wahoo powers I'm proposing [I]in order to beat actual threats into the ground[/I]. Because as things stand, even in 1e, the serious threats cast spells. And the fighter needs to be able to deal with that. D&D spells are so wahoo that either you level cap everyone (which Gygax effectively did at 9th/10th by giving them castles or towers) or you end up with the fighter being useless on his own merits (which Gygax admitted was a problem). [/QUOTE]

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