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<blockquote data-quote="Crazy Jerome" data-source="post: 5968961" data-attributes="member: 54877">There's nothing inherently wrong with having the double standard, even actively going after it, if that's the kind of game you want. Ars Magica is pretty much built around that very conceit. &nbsp;There is something completely off with, &quot;why don't we just accept ... and move on,&quot; unless you are willing to make an argument that the double standard is fundamentally necessary to the functioning of not only particular playstyles but the core of the game itself. I'm not saying that such an argument can't be made--only that no has. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin&nbsp; &nbsp; :D"&nbsp; data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />&nbsp;To be really useful, technically there should be at least three different conversations, and we should generally not allow points that pertain to one to cross over into the other:<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">The nature of the double standard, if it exists, how strong is it, where are its boundaries, etc.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assuming for the sake of argument that it exists and some people don't like it, how to work around it.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assuming for the sake of argument that it exists but that's all fine and dandy by itself, but what we can do to make this more acceptable to people?</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">And, I guess, assuming for the sake of argument that it doesn't exist, but what causes people to think it does.&nbsp; Though I think there is little here that won't get hashed out in the first discussion, unless there was some big other thing responsible that could then be dealt with.</li>
</ul>A &quot;double standard&quot; isn't really a double standard once you openly acknowledge its underlying nature and want to shift the ground to its effects and possible ways of dealing with it. At that point, it's more like a &quot;known inequality.&quot; It's not a &quot;double standard&quot; that NFL quarterbacks have special rules to protect them, for example, however right or wrong-headed those rules may be in particular. It would be a double standard for someone to insist that current NFL football rules contain no such special rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crazy Jerome, post: 5968961, member: 54877"] There's nothing inherently wrong with having the double standard, even actively going after it, if that's the kind of game you want. Ars Magica is pretty much built around that very conceit. There is something completely off with, "why don't we just accept ... and move on," unless you are willing to make an argument that the double standard is fundamentally necessary to the functioning of not only particular playstyles but the core of the game itself. I'm not saying that such an argument can't be made--only that no has. :D To be really useful, technically there should be at least three different conversations, and we should generally not allow points that pertain to one to cross over into the other: [LIST] [*]The nature of the double standard, if it exists, how strong is it, where are its boundaries, etc. [*][B]Assuming for the sake of argument[/B] that it exists and some people don't like it, how to work around it. [*][B]Assuming for the sake of argument[/B] that it exists but that's all fine and dandy by itself, but what we can do to make this more acceptable to people? [*]And, I guess, [B]assuming for the sake of argument[/B] that it doesn't exist, but what causes people to think it does. Though I think there is little here that won't get hashed out in the first discussion, unless there was some big other thing responsible that could then be dealt with. [/LIST]A "double standard" isn't really a double standard once you openly acknowledge its underlying nature and want to shift the ground to its effects and possible ways of dealing with it. At that point, it's more like a "known inequality." It's not a "double standard" that NFL quarterbacks have special rules to protect them, for example, however right or wrong-headed those rules may be in particular. It [B]would[/B] be a double standard for someone to insist that current NFL football rules contain no such special rules. [/QUOTE]

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