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<blockquote data-quote="Underman" data-source="post: 5969009" data-attributes="member: 6696705">Sure, like an accident that causes brain damage that wipes the victim's short term memory. It doesn't matter what the victim thinks of it, because an external quantifiable process (ie., brain damage) is responsible for it, and even as the victim is self-aware of this, the process continues unabated.Maybe spell memory is different than regular memory. Maybe the spell runes appear in the mage's mind's eye, a lot like a HUD. Once the HUD/spell runes are gone, you can't activate that spell anymore, even if you remember (with normal memory) what the spell runes are. The ritual of spell memorization brings up the active HUD again.However it works, the most important point for me is that the process is external to the mage.What process wipes a fighter's willpower and courage such that he can continue to do many great things all day but not that one specific thing that he wants to do sooooooooooo badly. Is it a fey boon perhaps or other charm -- something that certain people specifically were against?It seems different because those who want a fighter to do mythic exploits were very clear that they wanted it to be non-magical and sourced from the fighter's own wellspring of superhuman ability, courage, willpower, etc. The fighter is self-aware of his own mental state. If I'm roleplaying the fighter, I don't get it, because I don't see how the fighter would get it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Underman, post: 5969009, member: 6696705"] Sure, like an accident that causes brain damage that wipes the victim's short term memory. It doesn't matter what the victim thinks of it, because an external quantifiable process (ie., brain damage) is responsible for it, and even as the victim is self-aware of this, the process continues unabated. Maybe spell memory is different than regular memory. Maybe the spell runes appear in the mage's mind's eye, a lot like a HUD. Once the HUD/spell runes are gone, you can't activate that spell anymore, even if you remember (with normal memory) what the spell runes are. The ritual of spell memorization brings up the active HUD again. However it works, the most important point for me is that the process is external to the mage. What process wipes a fighter's willpower and courage such that he can continue to do many great things all day but not that one specific thing that he wants to do sooooooooooo badly. Is it a fey boon perhaps or other charm -- something that certain people specifically were against? It seems different because those who want a fighter to do mythic exploits were very clear that they wanted it to be non-magical and sourced from the fighter's own wellspring of superhuman ability, courage, willpower, etc. The fighter is self-aware of his own mental state. If I'm roleplaying the fighter, I don't get it, because I don't see how the fighter would get it. [/QUOTE]

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