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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5969020" data-attributes="member: 48965">How are you even speaking to the desires of the fans or the fanbase??? Just looking at the threads about 5e easily shows there is no one desire of the fanbase... I'm also not arguing that older fans are more important than new fans... but I don't see why the opposite, which you seem to be arguing for, is any more valid? As to it's flaws, again that depends on who you ask. 4e was specifically designed to fix many of those so-called flaws and yet we saw a large portion of the fanbase reject it and stick with their &quot;flawed&quot; games.&nbsp;&nbsp;How do you know your desires will appeal to a greater number of fans? Or that new fans don't enjoy some of those old traditions and tropes? This is just full of unsupported assumptions. Again 4e tried to change and adapt to the tastes of new fans... but something didn't click with alot of people. See I think what you're missing is that most new gamers are introduced by the older gamers you are claiming are irrelevant... and if a game isn't to their liking then they aren't going to play it or introduce it to new people. As to 4e's &quot;progress&quot; well some/many found it not to their liking so I think it's better to analyze why it faioled with alot of people before deciding it's the way to go.&nbsp;&nbsp;Perhaps you should follow the discussion if you wish to comment or take part in it...&nbsp;&nbsp;I haven't addressed what you asked for specifically, but within this thread there are those who want a &quot;mythological&quot; fighter.&nbsp;OAN: Would you please go back and actually read my posts on this subject. I can tell you have no idea what my stance is and yet have tried to engage me in an argument I'm not supporting. I've agreed early on that fighters should get more power and versatility, the only thing I've been discussing is what the source and fiction around the how and why of that should be.&nbsp; Not sure what you're arguing though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 5969020, member: 48965"] How are you even speaking to the desires of the fans or the fanbase??? Just looking at the threads about 5e easily shows there is no one desire of the fanbase... I'm also not arguing that older fans are more important than new fans... but I don't see why the opposite, which you seem to be arguing for, is any more valid? As to it's flaws, again that depends on who you ask. 4e was specifically designed to fix many of those so-called flaws and yet we saw a large portion of the fanbase reject it and stick with their "flawed" games. How do you know your desires will appeal to a greater number of fans? Or that new fans don't enjoy some of those old traditions and tropes? This is just full of unsupported assumptions. Again 4e tried to change and adapt to the tastes of new fans... but something didn't click with alot of people. See I think what you're missing is that most new gamers are introduced by the older gamers you are claiming are irrelevant... and if a game isn't to their liking then they aren't going to play it or introduce it to new people. As to 4e's "progress" well some/many found it not to their liking so I think it's better to analyze why it faioled with alot of people before deciding it's the way to go. Perhaps you should follow the discussion if you wish to comment or take part in it... I haven't addressed what you asked for specifically, but within this thread there are those who want a "mythological" fighter. OAN: Would you please go back and actually read my posts on this subject. I can tell you have no idea what my stance is and yet have tried to engage me in an argument I'm not supporting. I've agreed early on that fighters should get more power and versatility, the only thing I've been discussing is what the source and fiction around the how and why of that should be. Not sure what you're arguing though. [/QUOTE]

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